SuzukiSavage.com - Kick-Start mod???????

PipJones Full Member Offline Posts: 146 Fort Worth, Tx Gender:	Kick-Start mod??????? 05/19/10 at 08:01:47 Has anyone heard of, tried, or seen a kickstart mod for one of these beasts???
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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12671 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: Kick-Start mod??????? Reply #1 - 05/19/10 at 08:05:56 Wouldn't ever want to. Clearly remember kick starting a Ducati 450 scrambler -- was tickled to death first time I fired up a Savage by hitting the starter button -- would never ever consider going backwards to a kickstarter on such a large single.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Kick-Start mod??????? Reply #2 - 05/19/10 at 08:59:32 Been talked about many times. Bottom line, if you got the money to redesign the case... have at it.
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Charon Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 1811 Harvard, NE Gender:	Re: Kick-Start mod??????? Reply #3 - 05/19/10 at 10:03:26 While you are at it, you could also design a hand crank for your car. Just about as practical.
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Paladin. Serious Thumper Offline Hamster Posts: 4929 Sunny Southern California Gender:	Re: Kick-Start mod??????? Reply #4 - 05/19/10 at 10:06:48 My old DT175 had a magneto so a 10 year old totally dead battery would kick in the first kick. The LS650 uses a CDI ignition and if the battery is not working the electric starter then the kicker is not kicking the ignition so you can kick all you want you want but it is not living fire.
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dasch Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1137	Re: Kick-Start mod??????? Reply #5 - 05/19/10 at 10:16:13 C'mon guys, don't be so negative. It's not the matter of practicality, but the old-school looks!! Just like bobbing and chopping, we're not doing stuff to make it easier - but mor eye appealing (to us, at least). To me - kick starter is cool. Very cool.
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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12671 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: Kick-Start mod??????? Reply #6 - 05/19/10 at 10:33:48 Build yourself a suicide hand shifter and a foot clutch petal then, it is more doable and is relatively more "functional" and it will give you all the retro cool lookn' points you could ever wish for.
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dasch Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1137	Re: Kick-Start mod??????? Reply #7 - 05/19/10 at 11:09:17 Thought about it... but naw. Too dangerous for my short city rides. I bought an internal clutch set. Think I'll make it visually - clutchless!! Bicycle look, that's what I want. Have no time But what about this kick start? anybody have any ideas?? Links? Hints? There must be something that can be easily modified.
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Re: Kick-Start mod???????
Reply #8 - 05/19/10 at 11:18:13

Kick start does look pretty cool but I can't imagine going through all the trouble to add it to the savage.
Like already mentioned, I don't think I'd wanna kick that big single over either! I've got a 660 single in my quad with a backup pull start. I tried to pull start it one day, just to see if I could. Well, I can't... It just about ripped my fingers off!!! Screw that!

I wanna see that internal clutch setup. I guess it twists? That sounds grooooovy!!

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dasch Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1137	Re: Kick-Start mod??????? Reply #9 - 05/19/10 at 11:19:50 It twists. I got a whole set, internal throttle and clutch. Basically two identical assemblies that pull on cable when twisted. Cables run through the handlebar.
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Reply #10 - 05/19/10 at 11:49:07

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C'mon guys, don't be so negative. It's not the matter of practicality, but the old-school looks!! Just like bobbing and chopping, we're not doing stuff to make it easier - but mor eye appealing (to us, at least).

To me - kick starter is cool. Very cool.

if you really like the look just take a kick starter off a old dirt bike and superglue it to your tranny. It'll give you the look. then you can pretend to kick it over while pushing the start button.. Tongue

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I had an old car that had an exhaust on one side and a tow hook on the other side.. Put matching exhaust tips on both sides so it looked like dual exhaust without hurting performance.

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dasch Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1137	Re: Kick-Start mod??????? Reply #11 - 05/19/10 at 12:19:07 Hahaha, superglue, huh?? Duct tape sounds even better!!
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Re: Kick-Start mod???????
Reply #12 - 05/19/10 at 13:10:32

Paladin. wrote on 05/19/10 at 10:06:48:

My old DT175 had a magneto so a 10 year old totally dead battery would kick in the first kick.

The LS650 uses a CDI ignition and if the battery is not working the electric starter then the kicker is not kicking the ignition so you can kick all you want you want but it is not living fire.

Hey Paladin!!!!
Good to see you chiming in! Cheesy

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Re: Kick-Start mod???????
Reply #13 - 05/19/10 at 13:58:34

Yea, the kickstart thing comes up every year it seems.

A kicker would require:
1) A hardened gear that some how connects to the gears in the clutch side of the bike. And whcih existing gear would you connect to, to turn the engine the correct way to start the bike Undecided

2) The kicker assembly with a kicker clutch to disengage the kicker when the bike starts up.
3) A modified side case to fit all that and be strong enough to take the stresses that kicking a 650CC single cylinder would produce and still keep the very precise gear alignments needed for a engine that red-lines at 6500 RPM.

Basically, you need to be a machinist, mechanical engineer, motorcycle tech.

It could be done, but lots of time involved..... and I would rather be riding... . Grin

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Reply #14 - 05/19/10 at 15:09:31

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Basically, you need to be a machinist, mechanical engineer, motorcycle tech.

www.emachineshop.com

you can download their cad software and then design a part and they can produce it for you.. It'll cost hundreds to thousands to produce one custom piece, but if you get say 1000 copies you can get it down to probably 20-50$ each depending on complexity and materials.

good if your doing a limited run of a product, or building a very expensive one off bike.

dropping a harley motor and tranny and a kick start attachment would be a better use of money.

kick starter

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/5-6-SPEED-TRANSMISSION-KICKER-KICK-START-KIT-H...

and a donor harley

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-harley-davidson-1200-sportster-/180509442...

It'll have all the wiring ignition box exhaust etc needed to do the swap..
so for 4,000 you can have a kick start savage with a harley motor..

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