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04/29/10 at 20:49:17
 
I am having a problem being content. it's funny, i just got done with a short ride through the foothills in el paso and telling my wife how much i loved this bike i got with 900 miles for 2000 bucks and how it ran so great. well, i went to work and took my buddy's brand new 883 sportster iron for a spin. the shifting was so solid like BAM 2nd, BAM 3rd. i told him i was only gonna ride around base but after a few minutes i couldnt resist the nearly empty highway a block off post. that thing was at 90mph before i knew it and was smooth as glass. Tongue
  so anyways, my friend pays and hundred somthin a month for it not to mention ins. i pay 98 a year for ins. right now thats all i got on him.
 can you guys tell me why i love my savage so much. i really do but i need to be reminded...besides my happy wallet Smiley
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Reply #1 - 04/29/10 at 21:00:07
 
you could sell you bike and buy a sportser for $7k. $7k minus $2k (assimung you get what you paid for it) and your $5k in the hole. OR you can spend another $2k and turn your savage into a harley eater.
Wiseco piston $200
Cam carb kit from Lancer $650
Exhaust porting $10 for the dremel bit + a little time
Motolanna exhaust to match the port $150 (raask $450)
Head shave $150
Overbore $150

Lancer's expecting 55-60Hp with 300# of bike with stage 2 cam, 97mm wiseco piston, .04" head shave, and I forget what carb he's running, with an opened exhaust port and custom header to match w/ supertrapp muffler.
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Reply #2 - 04/29/10 at 21:03:37
 
thats true thanks...it was just something about the solidity of that shift that really set me off. i am not loaded and dont buy on credit so even if i wanted something else i cant have it. so i need to learn to love what i have
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Reply #3 - 04/29/10 at 21:17:53
 
The Savage will handle easier, quicker, and more nimbly than the sporty

The  Savage weighs basically 1/2 what the sporty does, try pushing the sporty around after doing the same with the Savage...BIG DIFFERENCE, especially if trying to back it up hill on a driveway or something

The power to weight ratio is pretty close to the same, and with a few tweaks the Savage will outrun the sporty up to about 80.
I had a sporty for a couple of years and liked it, it was smooth and I liked the sound, but the performance was not comparible...my Savage ate up the sporty.  And I got really tired of pushing the 550 lb sporty around at home...very hard.

Keep in mind that a sporty is built to a higher state of tune than a Savage is in stock form, so some mod's need to be done to thSavage to bring it up to an equal starting position.  At this level the Savage takes the first half of the run and the sporty takes the top half.  Top speed for both is about the same in the mid 90's.

Savage is half the price of the sporty and maintaining it is MUCH LESS EXPENSIVE and a whole lot easier to do yourself.

Performance parts for the sporty are everywhere and even under the rug.  The Savage is another story, but some performance parts are available for it and I think I know someone who has them available...REALLY GOOD DUDE TOO !   Grin

If you want a Savage to be made to RUN, then this is DOABLE.
I think mine will be well into the 50+ hp range, but the dyno will tell here shortly...we shall see what it will do.
One thing for sure I learned on the previous build, with a 42+ hp engine, I never ran into a HD of any model that could hang with my Savage from 0-85 mph

For a long time I REALLY WANTED A SPORTY...REALLY BAD and I finally got one; a great deal for it.  Riding it was nice for sure, but everything else was much more of a chore and the desire for it faded within a year so off to ebay it went.  Now I have one primary Savage, my '96 that goes by REX, and also an '85 & and '87 model that may be brought back to life once other things in my life setttle down.  total cost for both of the older models was $500 and I have all the parts needed to make them both run.
Yes, life is pretty good that way.

Oh, just a small correction from some above info:
-Performance Carburetor Kit $400
-Performance Camshaft $200
-NO NEED to shave the head if you get the high compression piston to start with from Wiseco


Notice indents on each side of piston top for valve clearance and the center portion of top is raised 2 mm above normal, which for the LS650 engine with this 97mm piston/bore brings the compression ratio up to 10.5:1...A VERY NICE NUMBER INDEED.
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Reply #4 - 04/29/10 at 21:18:45
 
I'd do a stage 1 lancerotomy.
carb, k&n or OF-nufoam-air filter, header work, sportster muff or supertrapp.

I put an edelbrock quicksilver in and got 15mph extra uphill.  And it wasn't fine tuned yet.
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Reply #5 - 04/29/10 at 21:27:38
 
thanks lancer..btw i do plan on getting jet kit from "that dude" here in about a month... it wasnt really the speed or the acceleration of the sporty that caught my attention but what seemed like purely the quality of the bike. it was really solid. i am novice rider and the only bikes i have ever been on besides this have been suzuki's...s40,s50,m50. the sporty just seemed like a better build. BUT i have a savage and i ride it  A LOT. like i was telling my wife..i got a hell of a deal and i love the bike. i have done the head plug thing and the dyna thing so i have gottne my hands dirty on her Grin. i am just trying to keep my eyes from wandering like an adulterous husband Grin
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Reply #6 - 04/29/10 at 21:38:53
 
Well, if I ever needed to be reminded that I have the right bike, all I'd  do is climb on a Harley for a minute.
I always thought if I ever started riding again, I'd like a H Sporty, so I looked at several, finally one day I climbed on one, leaned it over a bit, and that ended that idea real quick. I couldn't believe how top heavy that bike was. So I tried other heavy twins that didn't turn me on all. I was down to a 250 to be in the weight I would be comfortable w/, untill my bro turned me on to this single cyl s-40. I was lucky and found a nice used one at a dealer, took one little ride and bought it.
But I won't soon forget how heavy that Harley felt !
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Reply #7 - 04/29/10 at 21:39:42
 
RTC wrote on 04/29/10 at 21:27:38:
thanks lancer..btw i do plan on getting jet kit from "that dude" here in about a month... it wasnt really the speed or the acceleration of the sporty that caught my attention but what seemed like purely the quality of the bike. it was really solid. i am novice rider and the only bikes i have ever been on besides this have been suzuki's...s40,s50,m50. the sporty just seemed like a better build. BUT i have a savage and i ride it  A LOT. like i was telling my wife..i got a hell of a deal and i love the bike. i have done the head plug thing and the dyna thing so i have gottne my hands dirty on her Grin. i am just trying to keep my eyes from wandering like an adulterous husband Grin



YES, I understand the adulterous wandering eye thing.
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Reply #8 - 04/29/10 at 21:41:52
 
verslagen1 wrote on 04/29/10 at 21:18:45:
I'd do a stage 1 lancerotomy.
carb, k&n or OF-nufoam-air filter, header work, sportster muff or supertrapp.

I put an edelbrock quicksilver in and got 15mph extra uphill.  And it wasn't fine tuned yet.


YEP, the Edelbrock works great on a Savage/S40.

Mikuni VM carb with UFO can be made to work the same way as an Edelbrock Quicksilver, and they are extremely responsive to the throttle.
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Reply #9 - 04/29/10 at 21:53:08
 
forgot to mention that in my ten minute sporty ride i scratched my buddy's peg protector rod thingy on a turn that i didnt think was all that challenging. i guess learning to ride on a savage has tricked me into thinking that all cruisers can corner like me
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Reply #10 - 04/29/10 at 21:58:26
 
i never thought about the standing weight. it seemed well weighted as i backed it out and rode but obviosly i never took it for a 360 in my driveway....but you have to admit that the 883 iron is one sweet lookin bike
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Reply #11 - 04/30/10 at 04:29:14
 
It's paid for (I assume from the way you were talking). That's reason enough right there. Wink  

I can tell you why I like the Savage (even though it's my wifes bike Grin). It's nimble. Yes, it's lacking in power (nearly all cruiser are to me) and it doesn't get the respect it deserves from the "big bad" V-twin riders but it is so nimble it will run circles around them all on a curvy back road. It's such a fun bike to ride it leaves a smile every time you get off of it. W/ a few simple mods it can be made to run like the "big boys" or out run them in some cases.

I can tell you this, it's a heck of a lot easier to make a Savage run like a Harley than it is to make a Harley handle like a Savage. Cool
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Reply #12 - 04/30/10 at 07:45:08
 
Not long ago someone posted a pic here of a sporty alongside a Savage,....amazing the little difference,.... both are very good looking......very similiar looking "motorcycles". Fact is, at speed, they are so similiar, I think thats the reason why all the sporty riders wave at me Grin  

RTC wrote on 04/29/10 at 21:58:26:
i never thought about the standing weight. it seemed well weighted as i backed it out and rode but obviosly i never took it for a 360 in my driveway....but you have to admit that the 883 iron is one sweet lookin bike

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Reply #13 - 04/30/10 at 09:27:14
 
What you think of as "solid shifting",... I always thought of as "clunky"...
Harley's shift like a box of rocks.....

but,.. if you like them, it's not for me to talk you out of it...
Life's short, ride what you like...
Plenty of others must like them,...they're all over the place...
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Reply #14 - 04/30/10 at 09:58:51
 
I hate to admit - but I like the CLUNK HDs get into gear with. I like it a lot. Dunno why, but it's just... great! No japanese bike gets that loud, clunky, metal shifting sound. Whether that's good or bad, I don't care, but I really enjoy riding besides HD's. Bulldozer-heavy pieces of American machinery at it's best (or worse). Only reason why I don't have one? Too heavy for me.
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