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04/22/10 at 12:17:45

well this is my first bike, and i learned to ride on her. while i was learning to take off i would let the clutch out all the way and she would stall....i was thinking it was like a car...my friend explained that it's a wet clutch and u have to be a little on the clutch while moving...like a little throttle and a little clutch...

apparently i hold the clutch in just a little long, my friend said he heard it when i rode another bike and did the same thing. if i let the clutch out with no throttle the bike kinda jerks a little bit and doesn't sound as good exhaust wise but when i do it evenly(clutch half way out a little throttle then even them out) she roars!!

SO am i wrong in how i shift? is it harmful to the bike? i don't like the sound she makes when i don't shift my way....

what do u guys think?

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28651 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: shifting apparently lol Reply #1 - 04/22/10 at 13:12:04 Use it, to make shifts smooth,... but the longer you take to shift and the more you slip the clutch, the faster you'll wear it out...
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Rocco Serious Thumper Offline addicted 2 riding TcB Posts: 1049 south florida Gender:	Re: shifting apparently lol Reply #2 - 04/22/10 at 14:14:59 i hear ya, i guess it's a hard question to ask online lol
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Yonuh Adisi FSO Serious Thumper Offline Savage Jedi (Knight) Posts: 3622 Pilot Valley NV, aka Tatooine Gender:	Re: shifting apparently lol Reply #3 - 04/22/10 at 14:27:30 Rocco wrote on 04/22/10 at 12:17:45: my friend explained that it's a wet clutch and u have to be a little on the clutch while moving What your friend is describing is like riding the clutch in a car. Not exactly a good thing. As stated above, you can burn the clutch out prematurely doing that.
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Re: shifting apparently lol
Reply #4 - 04/22/10 at 14:58:16

Rocco wrote on 04/22/10 at 12:17:45:

well this is my first bike, and i learned to ride on her. while i was learning to take off i would let the clutch out all the way and she would stall....i was thinking it was like a car...my friend explained that it's a wet clutch and u have to be a little on the clutch while moving...like a little throttle and a little clutch...

apparently i hold the clutch in just a little long, my friend said he heard it when i rode another bike and did the same thing. if i let the clutch out with no throttle the bike kinda jerks a little bit and doesn't sound as good exhaust wise but when i do it evenly(clutch half way out a little throttle then even them out) she roars!!

SO am i wrong in how i shift? is it harmful to the bike? i don't like the sound she makes when i don't shift my way....

what do u guys think?

You friend is telling you the right way,Your just letting it out a little to slow.

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Rocco Serious Thumper Offline addicted 2 riding TcB Posts: 1049 south florida Gender:	Re: shifting apparently lol Reply #6 - 04/22/10 at 23:19:17 haha i tried to get off the clutch faster then before but before it jerks the bike.....i think i'm gettin the hang of it lol who knew right? i guess i took the "keep the clutch in a little while in 1st" a little too seriously
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Reply #7 - 04/23/10 at 05:50:13

But at the same time, I find myself clutching this bike a lot at very low speed,......and even some on a normal take off. IMO, 1st gear is plenty hi ratio, and if riding in B-B traffic, or like in a parade, you will be using the clutch as a lower gear.
But don't fear,.....I'm sure that a wet clutch will handle a lot of idle speed clutching.

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Reply #8 - 04/23/10 at 16:53:56

Rocco wrote on 04/22/10 at 23:19:17:

haha i tried to get off the clutch faster then before but before it jerks the bike.....i think i'm gettin the hang of it lol

who knew right? i guess i took the "keep the clutch in a little while in 1st" a little too seriously Grin

Another thing that might help you is to get the hang of using the throttle and clutch in unison after a while it just becomes a natural movement and that is when you become a smooth operator. Also when taking off you need to give it a little gas as you are letting the clutch out this will make your starts much smoother and is also easier on the bike. Or you could just do what Phelonius said and ride ride ride.

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Trippah Serious Thumper Offline I ride, therefore I am. Posts: 2517 central Mass Gender:	Re: shifting apparently lol Reply #9 - 04/23/10 at 17:04:14 About 10 minutes in an empty parking lot this weekend should do it for you. In 1st gear, start to let the clutch out. Before you feel the bike start to move, turn the throttle just a hair while letting the clutch continue on its journey. You'll move out smooth as a baby's behind (or land on yours if you did too much throttle)>
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Reply #10 - 04/23/10 at 20:25:20

this is the crazy part, i never had a problem shifting, i don't stall or anything....very seldom i don't shift all the way into 2nd but no biggie !!!

i've been riding a year, and i didn't have a problem til he said something lol now i'm paranoid!!!!

she takes off smooth, and she runs smooth he just said i am a little slow on lettin the clutch out, but if i do it any other way she jerks....so i must be rubbing her the right way....and the bike isn't being harmed either Grin

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Reply #11 - 04/23/10 at 20:38:29

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while i was learning to take off i would let the clutch out all the way and she would stall

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my friend explained that it's a wet clutch and u have to be a little on the clutch while moving...like a little throttle and a little clutch..

You need a tach... rev it to about twice idle and hold it steady, then slip the clutch in

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if i let the clutch out with no throttle the bike kinda jerks a little bit and doesn't sound as good exhaust wise

aka lugging it, real newbish.

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but when i do it evenly(clutch half way out a little throttle then even them out) she roars!

as said above, hold the throttle steady til the bike catches up, then twist it and go.

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Reply #12 - 04/23/10 at 22:00:51

Ehhh, get in a lot & slow play the throttle & ease the clutch out. If it dies, use more throttle, If it slips too much, use less. Its not a science or an art, its a combo. People have been rubbibg vehicles with clutches for a long time. Its no biggeee, go ride the danged thing & have fun. If you cook a clutch, you can fix it, then you can work to do better, too.

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Reply #13 - 04/24/10 at 22:34:11

have any of you guys ever taken the msf courses (beginner and experienced) ?? almost the entire course is about the "friction zone". and how a motorcycle clutch i different from a car. they tell you to find that place in the clutch( about 1/8 out) and hold it there with a steady throttle and use the clutch to control your low speeds. if you cant master this then you cant pass the course.....after doing this shifting is just second nature....feeling for it

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Reply #14 - 04/24/10 at 22:40:59

after reading my post my explanation didnt seem very good. anyways what i am saying is that in second and first..especially first..the clutch is your friend. you can ride with the clutch halfway engaged, it's not gonna damage the thing. you may have to eventually replace it but your gonna do a lot more replacing before that becomes an issue. so rather than jerking all around in first, use the clutch as your speed control and then roll on throttle and ease off clutch. the best shift for you bike is one that doesnt lag or jerk. experience will produce this but it shouldnt take more than a few weeks to gain that experience

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