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04/12/10 at 11:09:15
 
Just a couple quick questions...how do the bleed holes work on a pilot jet?
My bikes running great these days (except when it's cold) and I'm at a mile high. Jetting actually seems pretty good except I don't have much on the high end of the throttle.
I run - Pretty open pipe, stock jets, air screw out 2 1/4 turns, 1/2 spacer. I purchased Lancer's kit but haven't messed with anything yet. I was thinking of going up on one step on both the pilot and the main. One of the jets Lancer sent has bleed holes...how's that work?

Also, if I buy a Raptor petcock do I just cap the vac port on the carb?

Thanks a bunch
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Reply #1 - 04/12/10 at 11:23:51
 
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Also, if I buy a Raptor petcock do I just cap the vac port on the carb?

Yes,.. just cap it...  I used a screw, 'cause the rubber caps kept rotting away every couple of months...


...as far as the bleed holes....  I believe they are intended to make something do something better.... Huh...
... don't know if they really do though...  Grin...
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Reply #2 - 04/12/10 at 11:36:09
 
Bubba wrote on 04/12/10 at 11:09:15:
Just a couple quick questions...how do the bleed holes work on a pilot jet?
My bikes running great these days (except when it's cold) and I'm at a mile high. Jetting actually seems pretty good except I don't have much on the high end of the throttle.
I run - Pretty open pipe, stock jets, air screw out 2 1/4 turns, 1/2 spacer. I purchased Lancer's kit but haven't messed with anything yet. I was thinking of going up on one step on both the pilot and the main. One of the jets Lancer sent has bleed holes...how's that work?

Also, if I buy a Raptor petcock do I just cap the vac port on the carb?

Thanks a bunch

You need a least a richer high speed jet to get the higher end power even a stock motorcycle needs richer jets than what comes in them.
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Reply #3 - 04/13/10 at 00:03:09
 
From my personal experience, .50 idle with bleed holes was WAY too rich. .50 w/o holes is just about right. I am not 100 sure how and why, but they definitely bleed more gas through the jet.
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Reply #4 - 04/13/10 at 01:42:55
 
i think we need lancer to clarify this issue  Huh
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Reply #5 - 04/13/10 at 04:53:11
 
The pilot with the bleed holes made my 97 way to rich. Ended up going back to the one without and a 150 main.
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Reply #6 - 04/13/10 at 05:57:11
 
At a mile high, you probably don't need any more fuel than what you have now. Jet only the range that needs jettin, if any.

And no matter how you jet, you ain't never goona have good high end power at 1 mile high. There just ain't enough air up there.
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Reply #7 - 04/13/10 at 07:41:21
 
Thanks everyone, I was thinking of leaving the pilot the way it is and maybe just putting in the next size up for the main.
The only reason I figured I'd mess with the pilot is because I'm 2 1/2 out on my air mix screw and I get some SERIOUS pop on shut down.
Funny thing is, if I turn my idle knob WAY down before I shut 'er off then...no pop!
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Reply #8 - 06/01/10 at 21:43:49
 
Bubba wrote on 04/12/10 at 11:09:15:
......Also, if I buy a Raptor petcock do I just cap the vac port on the carb?.....


Here's another way to skin that cat:





I squirted a bit of RTV into the hose before folding it.
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Reply #9 - 06/02/10 at 03:59:44
 
The pilot jets with and without the bleed holes flow the same amount of fuel.  
Same size hole in the base of the jet = same amount of fuel flow.
The difference is that the bleed hole design is supposed to allow for a better transition from low to midrange throttle settings.
Some like it, others don't feel a difference.
I felt like I could feel a difference in throttle reponse and so I use them.
Strangely enough, the non-bleed jets cost almost 2x the bleed type.
Not sure why, but they do.

bleed:  $3.68
non-bleed:  $5.78
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Reply #10 - 06/02/10 at 06:42:54
 
Thanks Lancer, here is what I have so far...fairly open pipe but it does have some resonator/baffle to create some back pressure, K&N drop in air filter.
I first replaced the stock spacer with a #4 nylon spacer from ACE, that eliminated the midrange surging I was getting when I first bought the bike.
Rode that way for a few months but didn't feel like I had any power on the upper throttle range (which I don't use much!) so I put in a 150 main from Lancer's kit....worked as expected (good!) although I was getting some serious POP on shut down.
Installed the 52.5 w/ bleed holes from Lancer. That seemed to help with some of the low end sputtering I was getting in cooler weather (although I really think that is the vac petcock which I'm replacing with a Raptor arriving tomorrow) and seems to have eliminated the POP on shut down. I also now have the air screw out only 2 turns which is good.
I sometimes get some afterfire when really winding it out between gears but really nothing to write home about.

I just took everyone's advice and went slow to see how the bike would react. So far it's been fun.
I think I'm very happy now!!!! Smiley
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Reply #11 - 06/02/10 at 15:06:40
 
sounds good; working it one point at a time and working through the issues.

Just as a side note, Mikuni suggests that in an ideal situation, if the pilot jet is the "best" size the screw would end up at about 1-1.5 turns out.
Changing the pilot jet one size should normally change the screw setting by one full turn.
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Reply #12 - 06/02/10 at 15:36:53
 
I run the stock 52.5 and I'm at 2 1/4 turns out. I tried a 55 with bleed holes and the screw had to be all the way in and still ran too rich. So I went back to the 52.5.
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Reply #13 - 06/02/10 at 17:55:01
 
LANCER wrote on 06/02/10 at 15:06:40:
Just as a side note, Mikuni suggests that in an ideal situation, if the pilot jet is the "best" size the screw would end up at about 1-1.5 turns out.
Changing the pilot jet one size should normally change the screw setting by one full turn.


Just adding my name to this so I can find this information in the future. I've asked about this before and I'm glad there's an answer!

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Reply #14 - 06/03/10 at 03:22:45
 
ralfyguy wrote on 06/02/10 at 15:36:53:
I run the stock 52.5 and I'm at 2 1/4 turns out. I tried a 55 with bleed holes and the screw had to be all the way in and still ran too rich. So I went back to the 52.5.


that is strange
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