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03/23/10 at 13:50:35
 
so i'm lookin up cross reference charts for my friend's newly acquired 750 vulcan, it's an 86 with an unknown amount of miles, but for garage kept 1000 bucks isn't too bad.

well i'm looking @ the plugs his takes "ngk dp7ea-9" when i grabbed the plug i took out of the savage and replaced with an autolite it said "dpr7ea-9"....are they the same plug? and is this the correct plug for the savage? i bought her with that plug in it, so it obviously worked....just curious!
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Reply #1 - 03/23/10 at 22:20:03
 
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Reply #2 - 03/24/10 at 07:27:16
 
hmmmm so the chart says dpr8! this one says dpr7....hmmmm that's weird....
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Reply #3 - 03/24/10 at 08:03:25
 
my owners manual says

NGK                         Denso
DPR7EA-9                X22EPR-U9
DPR8EA-9                X24EPR-U9

I have a 2008 s40

I just replaced the original NGK DRP8EA-9 with a DPR7EA-9
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Reply #4 - 03/24/10 at 10:03:25
 
Rocco wrote on 03/24/10 at 07:27:16:
hmmmm so the chart says dpr8! this one says dpr7....hmmmm that's weird....



I believe the difference is one is a hotter range plug the other is a colder range plug.
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Reply #5 - 03/24/10 at 12:35:26
 
ooooooooh! ok, now it makes sense lol

sorry, it took me a little while!!!  Shocked
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Reply #6 - 03/24/10 at 13:17:03
 
So which plug is hotter?
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Reply #7 - 03/24/10 at 13:34:13
 
 Lower number is hotter
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Reply #8 - 03/25/10 at 07:45:56
 
bill67 wrote on 03/24/10 at 13:34:13:
 Lower number is hotter

The last number, or the number in the middle?
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Reply #9 - 03/25/10 at 08:00:04
 
 The last numbers are the same, Its the one in the middle
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Reply #10 - 03/25/10 at 08:15:02
 
Thanks, Bill!
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Reply #11 - 03/25/10 at 08:24:08
 
what does a hotter or colder spark plug do??
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Reply #12 - 03/25/10 at 08:42:33
 
  It would make the engine run sightly hotter.If old engine that burned oil, the spark plug wouldn't foul out as easy.
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Reply #13 - 03/25/10 at 08:52:37
 
bill67 wrote on 03/25/10 at 08:42:33:
  It would make the engine run sightly hotter.If old engine that burned oil, the spark plug wouldn't foul out as easy.


And the reason why "hotter" plugs don't foul easily is NOT because they "spark" hotter; but because they hold and don't dissipate the heat generated as well as a colder plug.

Best to run stock heat range plug unless:

Hotter: For old engine which burns oil and fouls plug(s) - but it runs risk of burning piston/rings/valves; but if engine is about worn out anyways... maybe worth the risk.

Colder: Running a good engine under extreme stress: high RPM (racing) colder plug reduces chance of pitting a hole in the piston or burning valves. OTOH, Increased chances of fouling plugs and loosing your engine's "tuning" In the case of a single cylinder like the Savage, that can mean: She won't run cuz the plug is dirty.

This is a really short version of general spark plug theory. There's a whole science behind it.

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Reply #14 - 03/25/10 at 09:05:14
 
From  "Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia"

Heat range

The operating temperature of a spark plug is the actual physical temperature at the tip of the spark plug within the running engine. This is determined by a number of factors, but primarily the actual temperature within the combustion chamber. There is no direct relationship between the actual operating temperature of the spark plug and spark voltage. However, the level of torque currently being produced by the engine will strongly influence spark plug operating temperature because the maximum temperature and pressure occurs when the engine is operating near peak torque output (torque and RPM directly determine the power output). The temperature of the insulator responds to the thermal conditions it is exposed to in the combustion chamber but not vice versa. If the tip of the spark plug is too hot it can cause pre-ignition leading to detonation/knocking and damage may occur. If it is too cold, electrically conductive deposits may form on the insulator causing a loss of spark energy or the actual shorting-out of the spark current.

A spark plug is said to be "hot" if it is a better heat insulator, keeping more heat in the tip of the spark plug. A spark plug is said to be "cold" if it can conduct more heat out of the spark plug tip and lower the tip's temperature. Whether a spark plug is "hot" or "cold" is known as the heat range of the spark plug. The heat range of a spark plug is typically specified as a number, with some manufacturers using ascending numbers for hotter plugs and others doing the opposite, using ascending numbers for colder plugs.

The heat range of a spark plug (i.e. in scientific terms its thermal conductivity characteristics) is affected by the construction of the spark plug: the types of materials used, the length of insulator and the surface area of the plug exposed within the combustion chamber. For normal use, the selection of a spark plug heat range is a balance between keeping the tip hot enough at idle to prevent fouling and cold enough at maximum power to prevent pre-ignition leading to engine knocking. By examining "hotter" and "cooler" spark plugs of the same manufacturer side by side, the principle involved can be very clearly seen; the cooler plugs have more substantial ceramic insulators filling the gap between the center electrode and the shell, effectively carrying off the heat, while the hotter plugs have less ceramic material, so that the tip is more isolated from the body of the plug and retains heat better.

Heat from the combustion chamber escapes through the exhaust gases, the side walls of the cylinder and the spark plug itself. The heat range of a spark plug has only a minute effect on combustion chamber and overall engine temperature. A cold plug will not materially cool down an engine's running temperature. (Too hot of a plug may, however, indirectly lead to a runaway pre-ignition condition that can increase engine temperature.) Rather, the main effect of a "hot" or "cold" plug is to affect the temperature of the tip of the spark plug.

It was common before the modern era of computerized fuel injection to specify at least a couple of different heat ranges for plugs for an automobile engine; a hotter plug for cars which were mostly driven or cars which were mostly driven slowly around the city, and a colder plug for sustained high speed highway use. This practice has, however, largely become obsolete now that cars' fuel/air mixtures and cylinder temperatures are maintained within a narrow range, for purposes of limiting emissions. Racing engines, however, still benefit from picking a proper plug heat range. Very old racing engines will sometimes have two sets of plugs, one just for starting and another to be installed once the engine is warmed up, for actually driving the car.
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