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Re: Need help with electrics
Reply #45 - 04/05/10 at 06:21:00
 
Id`start by cleaning the battery cables up & any grounds along the way.
If you can clip the leads on & wiggle stuff,, well, you know.
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Reply #46 - 04/05/10 at 09:00:56
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/05/10 at 06:21:00:
Id`start by cleaning the battery cables up & any grounds along the way.
If you can clip the leads on & wiggle stuff,, well, you know.

Huh?  Oh, I guess you mean attach the leads and see if the reading varies when I move stuff around?  Okay, I'll be trying that today or tomorrow.
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Reply #47 - 04/05/10 at 10:27:52
 
Oh boy, 1 volt drop just by sitting still. More when you crank/run. There's only three places on the + side: Battery +, ignition lock connector and kill switch.
On the ground side... good luck. I hate loose grounds on cars, not fun to find and cause weird s**t.
Take it easy and do what Justin said. Cover every connector you find, clean it, tighten, whatever it takes. It can't hurt while you're at it.
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Reply #48 - 04/12/10 at 08:17:53
 
Still trying stuff.  I'm getting 12.48v as a reading at the battery and at the junction near the ignition key.  I'm getting 11.00v and below at the coil.  Also, I disconnected the coil and still got the same reading (11.00 and below) at the orange wire end.  I've started unwrapping the tape from around the wiring harness.  I found a fuse near the coil, tested it and got the 11.00v and below reading.  I think this means my problem is somewhere between the ignition and the coil.  Any other ideas or input?
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Reply #49 - 04/12/10 at 09:18:30
 
Ignition lock connector and kill switch. That's what you have left on the + path to the coil. Check voltage between ground and those points.
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Reply #50 - 04/12/10 at 10:47:11
 
Or we cut this short. Run a separate wire from bat + straight to the O/W on the coil. You can leave it connected, just stick it in somehow. Than try.
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Reply #51 - 04/13/10 at 05:27:08
 
dasch wrote on 04/12/10 at 09:18:30:
Ignition lock connector .  .  .

I think this is what I referred to as "junction near the ignition key."  Also, can you tell me specifically how to test the kill switch?  And I will also try the short-cut you mentioned in your last post.  Thanks.
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Reply #52 - 04/13/10 at 22:39:48
 
Well, acccording to clymer there's several different wire color combinations for different production years. Can't guarantee which to short, however, you can always dissasemble the right hand grip, get to kill switch from behind and short it's two wires wherever it's convenient. Or use a street punk method and run a sharp steel needle through both to connect. When done remove needle and wrap some tape over holes.
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Reply #53 - 04/30/10 at 05:12:46
 
Okay, I've tried every test I know to try.  Still no fire at the sparkplug.  Voltage is getting to the kill switch, the coil, the ignition, etc.  I think I'm gonna try replacing the coil.  Any other ideas short of that?
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Reply #54 - 04/30/10 at 05:25:27
 
If I'm not mistaken,the CDI makes and breaks the ground side just like points used to do.Put your meter on both of the positive and negative leads of the coil and see if it pulses as you crank the engine.If not,the CDI may be at fault,or the pulse coil that feeds the CDI may be bad.
You can check the resistance value of the pulse coil,or disconnect it,put your meter leads on it,and check for a pulse at cranking.Keep in mind,though,that this will be a very small voltage,so you will need to be on the lowest voltage range of the meter for checking the pulse coil.
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Reply #55 - 04/30/10 at 08:13:34
 
Oh, I got some ideas... all bad. Do what ratz said, for start. Check ohm reading of the disconnected coil.

You know... mine wouldn't start once, and it was because of the loose connection on the CDI. Everything looked tight, but one of the wires was still loose. I had to rattle each one separately while a friend was cranking, to find it...
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Reply #56 - 05/01/10 at 02:11:18
 
Numbers from Clymer:
1-7 Ohms on primary of spark coil.
10-25KOhms on the secondary.
200-240 Ohms on the signal generator (between Green and Orange).

Assuming you already done all test shortcuts in previous posts, and all of these Ohm readings are ok, you either have a bad connection that you missed somehow (most likely), or your CDI is dead (possible).
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Reply #57 - 05/27/10 at 05:14:19
 
It's been a long haul, but I got her back on the road last evening.  Here's a summary of my findings, with no definitive root cause as yet.  I tried all the testing on the wiring.  Finally found that the plug wasn't firing.  And, SURPRISE, the next time I tried it the plug WAS firing!  I got the wiring harness from Sakara and was gonna try that, but it wasn't necessary.  Last weekend I discovered that the main wire bundle, rear of where the headlight wiring branches off, had an issue:  While the bike was running, when I pulled it forward or pushed it in under the tank, the bike would die.  I think I had routed it wrong at some point in the past.  Re-routing it with plenty of slack, and on top of the tank support "ears", fixed the problem.  I rode to work today with everything working just right.  

Thanks for the help.  Just wanted to bring the thing full circle to a conclusion.
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Reply #58 - 05/27/10 at 08:09:12
 
serenity3743 wrote on 05/27/10 at 05:14:19:
It's been a long haul, but I got her back on the road last evening.  Here's a summary of my findings, with no definitive root cause as yet.  I tried all the testing on the wiring.  Finally found that the plug wasn't firing.  And, SURPRISE, the next time I tried it the plug WAS firing!  I got the wiring harness from Sakara and was gonna try that, but it wasn't necessary.  Last weekend I discovered that the main wire bundle, rear of where the headlight wiring branches off, had an issue:  While the bike was running, when I pulled it forward or pushed it in under the tank, the bike would die.  I think I had routed it wrong at some point in the past.  Re-routing it with plenty of slack, and on top of the tank support "ears", fixed the problem.  I rode to work today with everything working just right.  

Thanks for the help.  Just wanted to bring the thing full circle to a conclusion.


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Re: Need help with electrics
Reply #59 - 05/27/10 at 08:23:30
 
serenity3743 wrote on 05/27/10 at 05:14:19:
Last weekend I discovered that the main wire bundle, rear of where the headlight wiring branches off, had an issue:  While the bike was running, when I pulled it forward or pushed it in under the tank, the bike would die.  I think I had routed it wrong at some point in the past.  Re-routing it with plenty of slack, and on top of the tank support "ears", fixed the problem.  I rode to work today with everything working just right.  

So it has a problem, but you fixed it by tugging on the wire and then tieing it down where it worked.  Seems to me that either you have a loose connector or a broken wire.  Sure, I'd ride it but I'd carry what I'd need to fix it at all times.
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