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dasch Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1137	Re: Need help with electrics Reply #15 - 03/25/10 at 09:37:45 Disconnect the Y/B and touch the pin on the relay itself. Be careful, that's a live + you are whipping with Try several times, try cleaning the pin somehow first, then touch it. We (you) need to be 100% sure about the relay, before we go further.
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serenity3743 Serious Thumper Offline Striving to better, oft we mar what's well Posts: 778 Black Mountain, NC Gender:	Re: Need help with electrics Reply #16 - 03/25/10 at 10:32:31 Thank you, Routy and Dasch. I will test it out after work this evening.
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serenity3743 Serious Thumper Offline Striving to better, oft we mar what's well Posts: 778 Black Mountain, NC Gender:	Re: Need help with electrics Reply #17 - 03/25/10 at 15:00:38 Okay, now that I did the test correctly, the relay activates the starter. Next step, please?
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dasch Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1137	Re: Need help with electrics Reply #18 - 03/26/10 at 02:10:30 Next step... hmmmm... all right... relay is fine, starter is fine. we will get to stupid safety systems next (clutch switch, neutral light, sidestand switch I get my hands on the schematics tonight and give you few more.
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Reply #19 - 03/26/10 at 08:02:35

dasch wrote on 03/26/10 at 02:10:30:

. . . clutch switch, neutral light, sidestand switch. . .

Dasch, I can tell you that the neutral light was not illuminating after reassembly following cam chain and adjuster replacement. I have tested the bulb and it is good. So I've been thinking for some time it is the neutral safety switch. Can we start there?

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Reply #20 - 03/26/10 at 09:08:59

If you insist so. We can cover others later. Looking at the schematics - you need to find a plain blue wire going towards the gearbox and ground it somehow. There's a quick release coupling on it somewhere. FInd it, disconnect and ground the end going towards the gas tank, not the one on gearbox side. Then test with bike jumped + to + ground to ground.
You don't need the extra wire to Y/B anymore. Connect relay as it was. Clean contacts first, while you're at it. Post what happens.

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serenity3743 Serious Thumper Offline Striving to better, oft we mar what's well Posts: 778 Black Mountain, NC Gender:	Re: Need help with electrics Reply #21 - 03/26/10 at 11:23:19 The blue wire you're talking about is the one that enters the clutch cover and is soldered to the neutral switch internally, right?
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dasch Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1137	Re: Need help with electrics Reply #22 - 03/26/10 at 11:27:49 Correct. And this internal switch grounds it when in neutral. So we need to ground that wire somehow faking neutral switch engaged. And then try to crank with bike jumped. And you and I will do that with every freaking switch that effects the starter function And then... real work!
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dasch Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1137	Re: Need help with electrics Reply #23 - 03/26/10 at 12:50:58 serenity, out of my curiosity - try if it works with blue wire disconnnected as well. Please, post what happens with neutral light and starting in both cases.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Need help with electrics Reply #24 - 03/26/10 at 14:52:07 & theres a little skinny 12 volt/red wire under the seat that can be jumped to the decomp timer & the starter will turn it over, even with the key in your pocket, no matter what gear its in, or if the clutch is pulled, or sidestand down..
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Need help with electrics Reply #25 - 03/27/10 at 18:23:55 Geeeeze, I didnt mean to kill it
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Reply #27 - 03/29/10 at 05:02:48

dasch wrote on 03/26/10 at 12:50:58:

serenity, out of my curiosity - try if it works with blue wire disconnnected as well. Please, post what happens with neutral light and starting in both cases.

My findings are: The starter turns the engine with switch grounded, without switch grounded, and with regular connection made. Neutral light still does not illuminate. So what does all that mean? Something tells me it shouldn't really do that. Huh

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Need help with electrics Reply #28 - 03/29/10 at 05:26:43 Id make sure I had 12 V to thr N lite. Then, Id provide a ground Y& prove it WILL lite up.
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Reply #29 - 03/29/10 at 05:41:11

serenity3743 wrote on 03/29/10 at 05:02:48:

My findings are: The starter turns the engine with switch grounded, without switch grounded, and with regular connection made. Neutral light still does not illuminate. So what does all that mean? Something tells me it shouldn't really do that. Huh

No, it shouldn't. Hmmm... something tells me... Have you ran this test with stock setup of the starter relay? I mean, without the extra wire to Y/B? And using start button to fire up? You should have. Maybe I wasn't clear.

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