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Reply #120 - 03/28/10 at 20:33:16

verslagen1 wrote on 03/28/10 at 20:19:22:

just to keep the gas flowing in the right direction, keep the front elevated a little. as long as you find it in the airbox it's ok.

fuel, fire and air is all you need.

what you might try is starter fluid or wd40. wd's propellant is propane.
leave the gas off, a squirt of starter in there, then start it.
a few thumpa's would confirm fire.

we know you got gas, just too much of it.

another thing i might consider, don't use the starter button.
the m/c battery needs to be strong to light her up.
use the car battery to jump the starter only. You'll need a friend if you do that.

Front is elevated just a bit (fortunately)
Bike DOES fire up... well did... it stopped and thats when it started filling up the airbox
I have been running the bike off my car, killed my battery too many times

It really doesnt make sense, I had one of the savage guys on the phone and he heard it and said wtf?! bike was idling STRONG, sounded perfect... but as soon as I added gas it'd backfire... (yes, backfire, I got the big puff of seafoam smoke come out of the airbox) that happened a few times and then it didnt want to run at all... I'm freaking confused as hell...

where do I spray that wd40? would ignition spray work better?

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Reply #121 - 03/28/10 at 21:23:15

kerosene wrote on 03/28/10 at 20:33:16:

Bike DOES fire up... well did... it stopped and thats when it started filling up the airbox
bike was idling STRONG, sounded perfect... but as soon as I added gas it'd backfire...

there's a lot of if's running thru my mind...
you got it idle... idle circuit on carb ok
give it a twist and POW a true back fire, very rare. (how exciting!)
Now it can be all carb related, you said the main was a 165, put the 145 in, i'd go for a 150, but you got the 145.
My thinking is as soon as you gave it a little more 'gas' it threw up and died. Cause it was way too much gas, literally.
You got a stock dyna, others have said that they didn't rejet from stock when they put it on. So you're running way too rich except for the idle jet which is an 45? either stock or smaller. looks weird to have a really big main and a small idle.
check for the white spacer too, if it's gone that'll act to increase the jet size too.

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Reply #122 - 03/28/10 at 21:33:10

verslagen1 wrote on 03/28/10 at 21:23:15:

kerosene wrote on 03/28/10 at 20:33:16:

Bike DOES fire up... well did... it stopped and thats when it started filling up the airbox
bike was idling STRONG, sounded perfect... but as soon as I added gas it'd backfire...

there's a lot of if's running thru my mind...
you got it idle... idle circuit on carb ok
give it a twist and POW a true back fire, very rare. (how exciting!)
Now it can be all carb related, you said the main was a 165, put the 145 in, i'd go for a 150, but you got the 145.
My thinking is as soon as you gave it a little more 'gas' it threw up and died. Cause it was way too much gas, literally.
You got a stock dyna, others have said that they didn't rejet from stock when they put it on. So you're running way too rich except for the idle jet which is an 45? either stock or smaller. looks weird to have a really big main and a small idle.
check for the white spacer too, if it's gone that'll act to increase the jet size too.

Running too Rich, yes, I had flames when I was able to actually rev it... so too rich.

I'll cehck the jets tomorrow and let you know the sizes, I can tell you main jet under float bowl, I cannot remove the little one, is there any way other than reading the jet to tell size? can I take a pic, will you know?

white spacer mod done, I actaully am using my diaphram from the original carb

it did the same thing with the smaller jet... exactly same thing....

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Reply #123 - 03/28/10 at 21:47:20

kerosene wrote on 03/28/10 at 21:33:10:

I'll cehck the jets tomorrow and let you know the sizes, I can tell you main jet under float bowl, I cannot remove the little one, is there any way other than reading the jet to tell size? can I take a pic, will you know?

white spacer mod done, I actaully am using my diaphram from the original carb

it did the same thing with the smaller jet... exactly same thing....

I think you can leave the idle jet alone, it's working.
undo the white spacer mod and check where it goes, on top or bottom.

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Reply #124 - 03/28/10 at 21:51:10

verslagen1 wrote on 03/28/10 at 21:47:20:

kerosene wrote on 03/28/10 at 21:33:10:

I'll cehck the jets tomorrow and let you know the sizes, I can tell you main jet under float bowl, I cannot remove the little one, is there any way other than reading the jet to tell size? can I take a pic, will you know?

white spacer mod done, I actaully am using my diaphram from the original carb

it did the same thing with the smaller jet... exactly same thing....

I think you can leave the idle jet alone, it's working.
undo the white spacer mod and check where it goes, on top or bottom.

how do I undo the white spacer mod? not as if I can un sand it... lol...

Ok, vers, do us BOTH a favor, and show me what jets are what, it'll save us a LOT of trouble... the idle jet I classify as the jet that is opposite of the carb....

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Reply #125 - 03/28/10 at 22:01:31

kerosene wrote on 03/28/10 at 21:51:10:

how do I undo the white spacer mod? not as if I can un sand it... lol...

Ok, vers, do us BOTH a favor, and show me what jets are what, it'll save us a LOT of trouble... the idle jet I classify as the jet that is opposite of the carb....

The white spacer should be a little under an 1/8" tall. or stack #4 washers together.

The main is the big one hanging low in the bowl almost dead center.
forget about the rest. yeah I could look thru a dozen or so threads and find a good pic for you, but sometimes you just gotta say I'm not your walking manual. You should read these for yourself anyway.

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Reply #126 - 03/28/10 at 22:40:18

verslagen1 wrote on 03/28/10 at 22:01:31:

kerosene wrote on 03/28/10 at 21:51:10:

how do I undo the white spacer mod? not as if I can un sand it... lol...

Ok, vers, do us BOTH a favor, and show me what jets are what, it'll save us a LOT of trouble... the idle jet I classify as the jet that is opposite of the carb....

The white spacer should be a little under an 1/8" tall. or stack #4 washers together.

The main is the big one hanging low in the bowl almost dead center.
forget about the rest. yeah I could look thru a dozen or so threads and find a good pic for you, but sometimes you just gotta say I'm not your walking manual. You should read these for yourself anyway.

I've read it all tbh, but everyone says this or that and then it sounds entirely different... the main jet is half the size of the larger one in the bowl?

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Reply #127 - 03/28/10 at 22:54:49

kerosene wrote on 03/28/10 at 22:40:18:

I've read it all tbh, but everyone says this or that and then it sounds entirely different... the main jet is half the size of the larger one in the bowl?

You may have read it, but you don't really understand. That's ok. The one guy to listen is lancer. Got's facts down straight.

The main jet is the big one, down low, center of the bowl. Idle jet is off to the side somewhere.

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Reply #128 - 03/28/10 at 23:14:09

verslagen1 wrote on 03/28/10 at 22:54:49:

kerosene wrote on 03/28/10 at 22:40:18:

I've read it all tbh, but everyone says this or that and then it sounds entirely different... the main jet is half the size of the larger one in the bowl?

You may have read it, but you don't really understand. That's ok. The one guy to listen is lancer. Got's facts down straight.

The main jet is the big one, down low, center of the bowl. Idle jet is off to the side somewhere.

I never said I understood, I am completely confused...

Ok, where the big diaphram is, there are 2 jets... one big one that sits up high, and one small one that sits deep inside...

float bowl, has 1 jet, is that main?

Jet opposite of choke, that's idle, I know that one Tongue

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serenity3743 Serious Thumper Offline Striving to better, oft we mar what's well Posts: 778 Black Mountain, NC Gender:	Re: New Reply #131 - 03/29/10 at 13:46:57 Kerosene, in your reply #105 above you stated this: Idle screw is in all the way I'm thinking that might be your problem, if you're talking about the tiny brass screw recessed on the right hand side of the carb. If it is all the way in, you're not getting any air mixed with your fuel.
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Reply #132 - 03/29/10 at 14:33:06

serenity3743 wrote on 03/29/10 at 13:46:57:

Kerosene, in your reply #105 above you stated this: Idle screw is in all the way
I'm thinking that might be your problem, if you're talking about the tiny brass screw recessed on the right hand side of the carb. If it is all the way in, you're not getting any air mixed with your fuel.

it was, it actually ran best when it was mostly in, unscrewing up to 3.5 did not help

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28633 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: New Reply #134 - 03/29/10 at 16:55:25 He's already bought one,... that's why I think it's the petcock... Same problem with two different carbs... ...
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