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jabman Senior Member Offline Posts: 411 England Gender:	spoke adjustment 01/30/10 at 14:54:41 well after changing all my rear wheel and pulley bearings, ive still got my annoying clicking sounds on further inspection ive got some loose spokes on my rear wheel does anyone have any tips on sorting this, without warping the wheel ? should i tighten them evenly ?
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Yonuh Adisi FSO Serious Thumper Offline Savage Jedi (Knight) Posts: 3622 Pilot Valley NV, aka Tatooine Gender:	Re: spoke adjustment Reply #1 - 01/30/10 at 15:11:12 Tightening the spokes while keeping the wheel true is a tricky and tedious business. I have never done it so I can't really give any advice.
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: spoke adjustment Reply #2 - 01/30/10 at 16:56:12 You can get a spoke torque wrench.
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JohnBoy Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 825 Gender:	Re: spoke adjustment Reply #3 - 01/30/10 at 17:22:58 jabman wrote on 01/30/10 at 14:54:41: well after changing all my rear wheel and pulley bearings, ive still got my annoying clicking sounds How much trouble was changing the pulley bearing? Did it require special tools? How much was the bearing? did you buy from the dealer or a bearing supply house? Thanks for the input JB
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: spoke adjustment Reply #4 - 01/30/10 at 19:07:48 Loose spokes huh tighten while spinning get your self a wire secure it to something and set the end near the rim to give yourself a reference. slowly tighten each spoke alittle at a time they should pluck and ring all the same when you're finished.
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Reply #5 - 01/30/10 at 19:22:43

As Vers says

get your self a wire secure it to something and set the end near the rim to give yourself a reference.

You can put one on each side & you wont be going wrong at all.

Its really self explanatory. Go slow, dont try to set a loose spoke all the way on one pass. Look for a section of rim that varies from the rest. Go to the point with the most deflection, tighten the spoke that would pull it back into line the the ones that pull it that direction next to the one tightened. Drizzling a penetrating oil down the spokes the day before you try it msy be a good idea. Maybe you could take a very small crescent wrench & check to see if the nipples have corroded to the spokes.

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Re: spoke adjustment
Reply #6 - 01/31/10 at 00:03:09

JohnBoy wrote on 01/30/10 at 17:22:58:

jabman wrote on 01/30/10 at 14:54:41:

well after changing all my rear wheel and pulley bearings, ive still got my annoying clicking sounds

How much trouble was changing the pulley bearing? Did it require special tools? How much was the bearing? did you buy from the dealer or a bearing supply house? Thanks for the input
JB

the pulley bearing was significantly easier then the wheel bearings. no special tools needed. remove wheel. lift out pulley. remove spacer from inside pulley. prise out the dust seal (replace this and the wheel bearing). turn pulley over. insert large socket with an extension piece attached. hit hard to force bearing out the same way as the seal. clean and grease inside. evenly tap the new bearing into place, tapping in the outside edge only. push new dust over the bearing.

done I ordered a bearing kit with all the bearings and dust seal on line

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Reply #7 - 01/31/10 at 02:41:09

Jab, from my experience, you should tighten ones that are really loose just to the point where they don't rattle without the wheel stand and all other centering gear. A turn or two more - wheel may go off alignment. On the other hand - it is probably off already. So, next step:
When I installed a wider rim, I made a stand out of two guitar stands. I used a felt tip pen instead of a wire, so it marked exactly where the spinning wheel was off left and right. 6mm fork wrench is a great (maybe even better) substitute for a "special" spoke tool.
And there you go - went in half turn increments, spinning wheel, wiping off pen marks, and checking constantly. Tighten to minimize pen marks untill you are happy. Not hard, just takes some thinking and patience.

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trublu YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 22 Geneva, IN. Gender:	Re: spoke adjustment Reply #8 - 01/31/10 at 05:15:04 Felt tip pen?? AWESOME tip!! Adding that to my book of tricks THANKS!! GREAT IDEA!
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Charon Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 1811 Harvard, NE Gender:	Re: spoke adjustment Reply #9 - 01/31/10 at 05:39:53 The penetrating oil on the spoke nipples sounds like a good idea, but I think you would want to use it sparingly. That's because on the other end of the spoke nipple is a rubber rim strip and a rubber inner tube. Rubber usually doesn't react well to petroleum-based penetrating oil.
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dasch Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1137	Re: spoke adjustment Reply #10 - 01/31/10 at 07:22:34 Felt tip pen, yup. Make sure it's erasable Leaves a nice mark wherever rim is warped. As you adjust, line gets shorter and shorter.
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trublu YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 22 Geneva, IN. Gender:	Re: spoke adjustment Reply #11 - 01/31/10 at 07:38:14 dasch, thats reallya GREAT tip bud!! I can see how that works and Id a never thought of that. Im definitely gonna remember that one
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Reply #12 - 01/31/10 at 09:47:39

I use a hypodermic syringe and Marvel misery oil. That way I can apply a very minute amount to the spoke thread. Marvel oil contains a small amount of oil of wintergreen (that is why it smells good) which is a truely marvelous penetrant. By applying such a small amount, I do not worry about what it will do to the rubber inside.
I use a spoke wrench to both play the music and turn the spoke head.
You do not pluck it like a harp. You hammer it lightly like a piano string with the wrench.
With the wheel up off the floor so no strain is upon it, sound all the spokes to get an idea of the tension all round. Mark the dull sounding ones with a crayon or wipe-able marker, one dot for dull , two dots for dead sounds. This will give a general idea of the wheel. Rig an index mark to indicate out of round and side to side variance. Correct by halves.
The very best way is to find someone with a trueing jig and beg it's use.

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