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texsam Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 138	ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH 12/28/09 at 07:24:36 TODAY I WAS RIDINGHOMEAND WHEN IPUTMY BIKE INTO 5TH GEAR AFTER THE CLUTCH WAS DISENGAGED I GAVE IT GAS AND IT ACTED LIKE IT WAS IN NEUTRAL THEN I HEARD A KNOCK AND IT WENT INTO GEAR, AFTER THAT IT DIDN'T DOIT AGAIN, DOES THAT MEAN MY TRANSMISSION IS GOING OUT???? OR IS IT MY CLUTCH
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Ebikerman Full Member Offline Jesus is #1 Posts: 100 Fitzgerald, GA Gender:	Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Reply #1 - 12/28/09 at 08:00:15 You probably did not have it all the way in gear. I have experienced that mysely. If it does it regularly, I would suspect transmission shifter problems. You must shift positively to get proper shifting.
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Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH
Reply #2 - 12/28/09 at 08:00:39

Calm down, no need to shout.

There's a false neutral between 4th and 5th that occassionaly can be found.

When you shift, don't jab at it. Apply pressure to the shifter in the direction you want to go, clutch it and it'll pop right in.

between 4th and 5th, you don't even need to clutch it, a quick flip of the throttle back to idle and immediately back on it will shift it sweet.

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Reply #3 - 12/28/09 at 08:24:11

ahahaaa i have done this on i-95 in work traffic, where my main concern was not being run over by expeditions lol

i heard it high rev, looked @ the tank expecting to see neutral and i tried it again and it was fine.

i think it's a built it "are u paying attention" you know, like the white bumps on the side of the road =]

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Oldnewguy Senior Member Offline thumpin' along! Posts: 369 Upstate NY Gender:	Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Reply #4 - 12/28/09 at 08:37:14 We did this problem in a thread a while back. 4th to 5th is "quirky" at best. On my '96 I get a double "in" most of the time. You just need to keep the pressure on till you feel it go all the way in.
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Reply #5 - 12/28/09 at 08:42:12

right on i'll be a little more cautious when shifting, it kinda sucked cuz it did happen in traffic i-10 west in north san antonio. oh and my bad my keyboard is actin up sorry for the caps its hard to switch it. welll thanx 4 the advise, oh and i don't know if anyone remembers how my bike was dying out of the blue a few months ago but finally figured it out had a hole on the diaphragm in the petcockso she's back in tip top shape

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Oldnewguy Senior Member Offline thumpin' along! Posts: 369 Upstate NY Gender:	Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Reply #6 - 12/28/09 at 09:13:11 It does suck and it's embarassing. Glad you got the beast running!
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Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH
Reply #7 - 12/28/09 at 10:02:02

texsam wrote on 12/28/09 at 08:42:12:

finally figured it out had a hole on the diaphragm in the petcockso she's back in tip top shape

Suzuki should be shot for ever making that peacock... What a P.O.S.!....
Engineered to prevent a one in a thousand minor mishap, and guaranteeing an eventual major malfunction...
Stupid,.. stupid, stupid...

I feel better now... Huh

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Reply #8 - 12/28/09 at 10:41:39

The shifting fork that slides a dog along a spline to engage either one cluster or another, rides in a slot which is moved from one position to another by the action of the shift lever pulling a lobe onto the next detent.
If the lobe is not pushed or pulled all the way into the next detent, it can momentarily ride on top of it with the sliding dog in between gear selections. Then with a tiny bit of vibration it will decide to slip down the lobe and engage the dogs on a gear cluster with a clunk. It may slide and engage the next gear , or it may fall back to engage the gear you were trying to leave, also with a clunk. Unless your throttle is wide open, there is usually no damage except to your peace of mind.
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jabman Senior Member Offline Posts: 411 England Gender:	Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Reply #9 - 12/28/09 at 10:59:54 ekkk i was worrying about that aswell mind is at rest now
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Routy Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2280 Winston Oregon Gender:	Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Reply #10 - 12/29/09 at 06:15:53 Yep, I just hold upward pressure till the clutch is engaged, and it never misses.
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Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH
Reply #11 - 12/29/09 at 08:27:49

verslagen1 wrote on 12/28/09 at 08:00:39:

Calm down, no need to shout.

There's a false neutral between 4th and 5th that occassionaly can be found.

When you shift, don't jab at it. Apply pressure to the shifter in the direction you want to go, clutch it and it'll pop right in.

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between 4th and 5th, you don't even need to clutch it, a quick flip of the throttle back to idle and immediately back on it will shift it sweet.

Once in 2nd, shifting up & down between 2nd & 3rd, 4th & 5th w/o the clutch is so, so easy. Just coordinate throttle & ankle, no clutch to pull, no clutch cable wear, no clutch disk wear. Ive had some "shift failure" events, with & w/o the clutch, but fewer w/o.
Quite disconcerting to get a false neutral that becomes a gear after throttle applied. But, as noted, unless youre at Wide Open, not gonna tear stuff up, just lurch it around & get embarrassed.

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babyhog Serious Thumper Offline Find a Cure for Breast Cancer! NOW!! Posts: 3802 WV Gender:	Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Reply #12 - 12/29/09 at 09:27:45 I have never shifted without the clutch. I'm a-skeeered to. Doesn't "seem" like it would be good for the bike. Tell me more...
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28644 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Reply #13 - 12/29/09 at 09:40:23 I upshift 3 to 4, and 4 to 5 without clutch a lot... I use the clutch for downs...
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babyhog Serious Thumper Offline Find a Cure for Breast Cancer! NOW!! Posts: 3802 WV Gender:	Re: ACTING WIERD WHEN I SHIFT FROM 4TH TO 5TH Reply #14 - 12/29/09 at 09:46:04 I'm guessing between 3 and 4 is bad? (2-3 and 4-5 ok?) What's the difference? Or am I reading wrong....
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