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Reply #75 - 12/29/09 at 08:20:32
 
T Mack 1 - FSO wrote on 12/29/09 at 07:32:45:
Ed L. wrote on 12/27/09 at 18:55:55:
Not a good sight at all, those flakes look like aluminium so lets hope your bore is still good. It's time for some exploratory surgery. Sad

 Yea, sort of loks like aluminun.  I hope the cam journal is ok.....   Huh



But then, If its the just the cam journals, at least that engines guts may be awwrite.


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Reply #76 - 12/29/09 at 08:55:08
 
for all the magnet guys and gals out there just remember you will only catch magnetic particles and aluminum is not magnetic so unless you are taking shavings off steel or iron parts you won't collect much.

On the flip side if you are making steel shavings they would be good to get out of the oil stream.

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Reply #77 - 12/29/09 at 09:13:42
 
Magnets are a trick we've learnt from the extended life oil filter guys.
magnetic filters don't care about the particulate size, only that it's magnetic.  Some super fine sludge will collect around the maget and pull it out of suspension.  Magnetic oil plugs have been around a long time.  placing it on the filter just puts the magnet in a better spot.
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Reply #78 - 12/29/09 at 09:23:59
 
 Theres a lot of magicians here with all kinds of tricks Roll Eyes
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Reply #79 - 01/02/10 at 07:31:55
 
The  magnetic drain plug had some super fine particals on it; too fine to even feel gritty; just very smooth.
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Reply #80 - 01/02/10 at 09:06:55
 
LANCER wrote on 01/02/10 at 07:31:55:
The  magnetic drain plug had some super fine particals on it; too fine to even feel gritty; just very smooth.




Mine does that all the time. Every oil change, thers something there.
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Reply #81 - 01/11/10 at 05:28:58
 
The head is off:

-cylinder is ok
-piston top is ok
-do not have a good look at the oil ring set yet
-cam journals do not look good
-evidence of heat on rockers...cam lobe end
-cam looks ok

I have some photos but am away from home right now so will post them later
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Reply #82 - 01/12/10 at 03:33:12
 
LANCER wrote on 01/11/10 at 05:28:58:
The head is off:

-cylinder is ok
-piston top is ok
-do not have a good look at the oil ring set yet
-cam journals do not look good
-evidence of heat on rockers...cam lobe end
-cam looks ok

I have some photos but am away from home right now so will post them later


Lancer, is this your high compression engine?  Do you think the top end damage was caused by loss of oil pressure or heat?
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Reply #83 - 01/12/10 at 07:18:03
 
smokin_blue wrote on 01/12/10 at 03:33:12:
LANCER wrote on 01/11/10 at 05:28:58:
-evidence of heat on rockers...cam lobe end
-cam looks ok


Lancer, is this your high compression engine?  Do you think the top end damage was caused by loss of oil pressure or heat?

Only oil can take the heat off of the rockers and prevent journal damage.

Lancer, you shaved the cylinder or the head?
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Reply #84 - 01/12/10 at 08:00:16
 
journals affected slightly





Got just a wee bit warm here




cam looks worse than it is...discolored from hot oil but not damaged on lobes or bearing area







chamber with carbon but no damage



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Reply #85 - 01/12/10 at 08:42:11
 
3 things I see...
smearing material in the cam journal, could be cause cam was hot and over expanded.  
Could be caused by very little gasket material.  Clymer says set the head cover bolts finger tight, wait an hour then torque.
extra sealant in the figure 8 pocket.  Don't know how much oil is supposed to flow thru here or where it goes, but if it's blocked it ain't gettin' nothin'.
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Reply #86 - 01/12/10 at 11:22:33
 
If these pics are taken "as disassembled" with no detail brake cleaner cleaning then you got no oiling going on to the top end at all.  Your bathtub is dry, bone dry.

Please tell us this is after detailed cleaning and blowing everything off with an air hose ...

This does not explain your smoking issue though -- running your head dry would not result in smoking out the exhaust pipe.
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Reply #87 - 01/12/10 at 14:42:20
 
The picture of the head and cam, with cam chain in place, looks as if the head is still on the engine. I cannot see any way to have the head as clean as it is, unless the whole assembly was cleaned with solvent prior to removing the head.

The picture of the head cover, with the little O-ring in place, almost looks as if some sealant got into the passage and blocked the oil flow. I suspect the only oil flowing into the head comes in through that passage and goes to the cam journals, from which it runs out into the "bathtub" and is splashed around the head by the cam lobes.

The parts showing damage are the only parts with a "wiping" action - the cam journals and the rocker lobes where they rub the cam. They appear to have suffered from lack of oil. Too bad that doesn't explain the smoking issue.
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Reply #88 - 01/12/10 at 18:00:06
 
There was a little oil in the bathtubs when the head cover was first removed.  I wiped out the oil with paper towels prior to taking the photo shots.

Lancer, is this your high compression engine?
Compression just slightly higher than stock

Oil ring set on piston has little to no spring left in it; barely extends beyond the piston wall at all.

Oil goes up on right rear passage and drips back down on right front.
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Reply #89 - 01/12/10 at 18:40:06
 
Don't forget to check your clutch side cover gasket to make sure sealant is not restircting the tiny oil passage.

Second....  when I rebuilt mine, the owner of the salvage yard where I got the used good head said to loosen the oil passage head cover bolt and make sure you get oil out.  

When I tested mine,  I took the sparkplug out so no load on engine, and crank crank crank .... nothing.  Then took the bolt all the way out, looked down to see if I could see any oil.... crank crank crank splat  Shocked ...... oil all over the face...   shot up a good foot or so.
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