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Re: Smoking Issue
Reply #45 - 12/11/09 at 18:57:19

LANCER wrote on 12/11/09 at 08:41:37:

I just got off the phone with a tech dude from Boretech and his thoughts were, considering the details of what has transpired, that this is probably an oil ring issue and recommended a new ring set along with a ball honing of the cylinder wall.
Perhaps the ring lost some tension during the process of disassembly and reassembly.

He suggested that I take a magnified closeup look at the ring set before removing from the piston to see if the problem can be identified.

So back out she comes.

Take a look at Gregs posting but I think it was ring gap that was out of spec for his....I think they were not pressing against the wall the way they should have.

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Re: Smoking Issue
Reply #46 - 12/12/09 at 13:35:12

smokin_blue wrote on 12/11/09 at 18:57:19:

LANCER wrote on 12/11/09 at 08:41:37:

I just got off the phone with a tech dude from Boretech and his thoughts were, considering the details of what has transpired, that this is probably an oil ring issue and recommended a new ring set along with a ball honing of the cylinder wall.
Perhaps the ring lost some tension during the process of disassembly and reassembly.

He suggested that I take a magnified closeup look at the ring set before removing from the piston to see if the problem can be identified.

So back out she comes.

Take a look at Gregs posting but I think it was ring gap that was out of spec for his....I think they were not pressing against the wall the way they should have.

I went back and read through Greg's postings earlier.

I did a compression check today and got a consistant 150-152 over 3 test runs.

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Smoking Issue Reply #47 - 12/12/09 at 13:37:37 Try some SeaFoam in the oil you will be surprised.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Smoking Issue Reply #48 - 12/12/09 at 14:23:53 Great! Comp ring is fine, but the oil control that wipes the cylinder on the downstroke to keep oil from running up between piston & cylinder might be in the crapper..
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Charon Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 1811 Harvard, NE Gender:	Re: Smoking Issue Reply #49 - 12/12/09 at 15:18:56 Tell us, Bill, how a couple of ounces of thinner oil (Seafoam) in two quarts of presumably new motor oil is going to make a difference. Take into account that the original poster says the cylinder, piston, and rings are already clean. How can you clean the already clean? How is thinning the oil going to improve the seal?
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Smoking Issue Reply #50 - 12/12/09 at 15:42:18 bill67 wrote on 12/12/09 at 13:37:37: Try some SeaFoam in the oil you will be surprised. You just dont know Bill,,Charon, YOU are just certain his unspoken words were " At how much it helps"...I know Bill. He was really saying "At how much worse it smokes"...
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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10661 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: Smoking Issue Reply #51 - 12/12/09 at 15:48:08 Time to pull'er apart and see what the oil ring looks like.
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Smoking Issue Reply #52 - 12/12/09 at 18:24:39 bill67 wrote on 12/12/09 at 13:37:37: Try some SeaFoam in the oil you will be surprised. Do it
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BurnPgh Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1732	Re: Smoking Issue Reply #53 - 12/12/09 at 18:27:21 might aswell. Might get yourself a miracle and save youself a teardown.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Smoking Issue Reply #54 - 12/12/09 at 19:37:19 Really, it IS a shot..if that should fail, you can try poking a needle in a model of the engine. Rip the head off a chikkin, do a little dance.. Ive seen stories of the greatness of Sea Foam. Id at least gib it a shot.
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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10661 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: Smoking Issue Reply #55 - 12/13/09 at 05:12:54 OK OK OK....... I will get some S/F today and run it through and run down the road and we will see what happens. Personally, I think I have a broken or collapsed oil ring. Anyway, all shall be revealed in due time.
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Re: Smoking Issue
Reply #56 - 12/13/09 at 05:28:02

LANCER wrote on 12/13/09 at 05:12:54:

OK OK OK....... I will get some S/F today and run it through and run down the road and we will see what happens.

Personally, I think I have a broken or collapsed oil ring.

Anyway, all shall be revealed in due time.

Personally, I think I have a broken or collapsed oil ring.

I agree, but for the $$$, why not give it a try?

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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10661 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: Smoking Issue Reply #57 - 12/13/09 at 05:30:13 I will pick up the S/F on the way back from church today and run it.
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Routy Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2280 Winston Oregon Gender:	Re: Smoking Issue Reply #58 - 12/13/09 at 05:36:48 Just curious, are these 1 pc oil rings, or more pcs w/ expander and spacers ? And 1 or 2 comp rings ? No, I don't have a book.
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BurnPgh Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1732	Re: Smoking Issue Reply #59 - 12/13/09 at 10:01:33 3 peice oil rings, 2 compression rings
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