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JohnBoy Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 825 Gender:	timing cover: "stuck like a pig!" 11/06/09 at 08:00:58 I tried the valve adjustment link but it is not opening, so I turn to you all...again. I am having a devil of a time getting the inspection port unscrewed. This is clockwise to tighten and counter-clockwise to loosen right? I think that the PO was a little too fond of thread locker.
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Re: timing cover: threaded CW or CCW?
Reply #1 - 11/06/09 at 08:35:30

These are a known hassle if someone applies the Slightest bit of "enthusiasm" tightening them down. Normal threads, so yes, CCW to take it off. It has an O-ring for a seal, no threadlock is used on any Ive seen. Build a tool that fills the gap nicely, radius it to fit the curve of the groove. I have washers sandwiched tightly on a bolt, ground to fit. Someone has discovered that an old brake pad fits okay enough. Be careful, these things arent thick.

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JohnBoy Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 825 Gender:	Re: timing cover: threaded CW or CCW? Reply #2 - 11/06/09 at 08:46:14 much thanks! I built a tool that fits on a 3/8 socket and applied a breaker bar...no luck! Then it was on to the impact driver, but I was afraid that I would punch it through the side of the case. So...on to the air wrench!
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28637 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: timing cover: threaded CW or CCW? Reply #3 - 11/06/09 at 09:08:42 It'll be the o-ring that's causing the stick... try some penetrating oil... and use short sharp taps, instead of brute torque...
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Reply #4 - 11/06/09 at 09:27:46

Then it was on to the impact driver,

Air, okay, but Id be afraid of using a hammer strike type on this plug.
Yes, get something soaking in there. So many great penetrants out there, Kroil is a common one, highly regarded & rightfully so, IMO. One thats not well known is Wintergreen oil. I used it to soak some stuff I found out back, oilfield stuff, been laying out there for at least 20 years, IDK why, or how, but the thing let loose after a few days of dosing,didnt even break the wings off the wingnuts. IDK what type of metals they are, but its not pitted like I think it should be..still, point is, Wintergreen oil isnt too pricey, not exactly toxic, smells good & does a good job.,

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JohnBoy Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 825 Gender:	Re: timing cover: threaded CW or CCW? Reply #5 - 11/06/09 at 12:19:42 so much for the air wrench! The socket I modified twisted like a soda straw at 90psi. I will try the penetrating oils. What are your thoughts on riding it enough to heat it up, and then chilling the inspection port with canned air prior to unscrewing it?
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28637 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: timing cover: "stuck like a pig!" Reply #6 - 11/06/09 at 12:33:09 Oil.... and use a sharp, jerking twist, on the wrench to break it free,... I'm almost making grunty noises, while I describe it...
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Re: timing cover: "stuck like a pig!"
Reply #7 - 11/06/09 at 12:44:56

I always just use the forked end of a hammer. Push on the head of the hammer to keep it in the slot and angle the handle as close to the jug as possible then twist slowly. Every other method I tried has mauled the slot but I havent had an issue since I started using the hammer. Just dont snug it up too much putting it back.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: timing cover: "stuck like a pig!" Reply #8 - 11/06/09 at 14:01:07 I dont pull that cover when I do the valves. I can get TDC with a wooden dowel
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Oldnewguy Senior Member Offline thumpin' along! Posts: 369 Upstate NY Gender:	Re: timing cover: "stuck like a pig!" Reply #9 - 11/06/09 at 15:40:38 Try using a square electric box cover with vice grips at 9 and 3
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Phelonius Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1897	Re: timing cover: "stuck like a pig!" Reply #10 - 11/06/09 at 15:50:12 Perhaps someone used J.B.Weld for thread lubricant. Phelonius
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Re: timing cover: threaded CW or CCW?
Reply #11 - 11/06/09 at 16:07:28

JohnBoy wrote on 11/06/09 at 12:19:42:

What are your thoughts on riding it enough to heat it up, and then chilling the inspection port with canned air prior to unscrewing it?

I would say that is definitely worth a try. I personally have never had any trouble getting mine off with just a large screw driver. But I would try your idea, the reasoning is sound. I wouldn't doubt if the PO cross-threaded the thing.

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Routy Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 2280 Winston Oregon Gender:	Re: timing cover: "stuck like a pig!" Reply #12 - 11/06/09 at 16:50:21 Wow,.....all that made me tired ! I hope I never have to remove that plug !
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: timing cover: "stuck like a pig!" Reply #13 - 11/06/09 at 17:19:10 If you do, use never seize going back together & remember that plug is easy to stick bad. Now that I think about it, I should probably give mine a twist next time Im out on it, just to see if its stuck.
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Re: timing cover: "stuck like a pig!"
Reply #14 - 11/07/09 at 04:05:25

The threads aren't the issue, they are large coarse acme type threads that are oil lubed from the other side. The issue is rubber sticktion from the huge "O" ring that has been mashed totally flat by over tightening then heat welded to the case by engine heat.

We have had posters have to break that little round cover up with a chisel to get it out.

It can be a right pain in the ass, so just snug it down with light finger pressure -- with all the rubber behind it, it will not vibrate free or leak.

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