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Reply #15 - 10/13/09 at 10:17:57
 
I don't like using excessive effort, so I cut off a 3/4" piece of 3/4" x 1/16" bar stock to use in the air impact wrench:


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Reply #16 - 10/13/09 at 10:37:48
 
"air impact drill"  :'(   sniff sniff
that is EXACTLY what I need ... I have not
been able to open that cover in 4 years!!
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Reply #17 - 10/13/09 at 10:55:37
 
IDK if the Ryobi 18V. impact will handle it, but I suspect it would. Its just a 1/4" impact, but it sure jams lag screws in & I know they are hard to screw in. Its been a real labor saver. I got a kit with that & a drill & I was able to get the little circular saw with it. I cant remember if it was "Buy the drill/impact kit & get a #20.00 bargain on one more",, been a while, but Christmas is coming up & there will be bargains out there. Im very pleased with the Ryobi, but a hard look at all brands is important. They are always jockeying for market share & make improvements to attract customers to their brand.

You can also pick up a 12 volt 1/2" impact. Those are handy to have in the car & good enough for a few things in the shop.

I would want that "Tool" shaped to fit the radius & spread the pressure more evenly in that fragile little cap.


Even a little portable compressor will run an impact long enough to bust an axle loose. Pawn shops have used stuff for a lot cheaper.
I really dont like an impact that doesnt have a "Feather" trigger. Like Chicago Pneumatic, its either all the way on or all the way off.
Ingersoll Rand 1/2 impacts have a trigger that allows it to chug along easy if thats what you need to do. Look at the tire shops. Nearly all the impacts in those shops are Ingersolls.
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Reply #18 - 10/13/09 at 12:36:39
 
Take that cover I showed and put a vise grip at 9 and 3 o'clock. I'll bet it loosens the cover!
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Reply #19 - 10/13/09 at 12:44:24
 
  Oldnewguy I think your way is the easiest and the quickest way.It would be done while the other guys are looking for their tools.
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Reply #20 - 10/13/09 at 13:20:08
 
And the cap doesn't need much torque, so when you put it back on you don't have to "impact" it.
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Reply #21 - 10/13/09 at 13:22:28
 
I just can't see running the compressor and an air wrench for such a simple task.
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Reply #22 - 10/13/09 at 17:21:12
 
Oldnewguy wrote on 10/13/09 at 13:22:28:
I just can't see running the compressor and an air wrench for such a simple task.

Actually the compressor was brought out for the phillips head screws holding the bracket for the decompression thing.  I tried brute force, but the heads were starting to distort without the screws budging.  So I rigged up a whacker:



An electric impact screwdriver would do the job, but I don't have one of them.
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Reply #23 - 10/13/09 at 17:34:19
 
With a set up like that I would end up with a phillips drill.  At least the screw head would look like it had been attacked with a drill.   Grin
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Reply #24 - 10/13/09 at 19:54:07
 
verslagen1 wrote on 10/12/09 at 19:48:30:
As far as I can tell, we have a disgruntled ex member.


So....ummm,someone else can put it back up Wink
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Reply #25 - 10/14/09 at 03:32:18
 
Bet it's in the clymers with pics, cuz I've seen it.
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Reply #26 - 10/14/09 at 07:29:44
 
For FreeSpirit:

(someone sent this to me a while ago in an email; I'm just copying and pasting)

Valve Adjustment

This is meant as a walkthrough for us shade tree mechanics who don't really know what we're doing. As a DISCLAIMER, though, I must say that you take any responsibility for mistakes you make following this guide, even if the guide is wrong in some way. I am not a professional mechanic or even particularly experienced wrencher. First time I adjusted my valves, I did them 180 degrees out of phase (i.e. the engine was at TDC on the exhaust stroke). Got it right on the next try.

Understanding what you are going to do

We have an one overhead camshaft, with two lobes, one for intake and one for exhaust. The lobes push on the rockers. Each rocker has two rocker arms, which means we have four valves. The end of each rocker arm is threaded to accept a screw. As the cam turns, it pushes the rocker arms up and down. The screws push on the end of the valve stems. The screws are secured with nuts above the rocker arms. I call these nuts "locking nuts."

In the following diagram, the rocker arms are the bird foot looking things, more or less labeled "10" and "7." The valve stems are labeled "31" and "30." The adjustment screws are "11" and "8," and the locking nuts are "12" and "9." It is between the end of the adjustment screw and valve stem that you will be measuring the clearance.

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Remove both valve inspection covers with a 10 mm wrench. Put the covers somewhere clean and safe. I strongly recommend throwing away these bolts and replacing them with new ones. the stock ones are very soft and easy to snap. See pics. They are M6 with a 1.0 pitch. Your local hardware store should have them. Just take one in and match it.




Now we must set the cam position properly. This is probably the trickiest or second trickiest part.
Put the bike in neutral.
As Dan recommends, stuff the long CLEAN Philips head screw driver in the spark plug hole. While doing the rest of this be careful not to let the screw driver bind against the side of the spark plug hole as the piston comes up.



The trick here is to find Top Dead Center (TDC) on the compression stroke. This is a 4-stroke engine, so the piston goes up and down twice, and the flywheel turns 2 whole rotations (720 degrees) for every 1 time the cam goes around.
Take the 17 mm offset wrench and turn the flywheel COUNTER CLOCKWISE WHILE LOOKING AT THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE BIKE. The Clymer manual has this wrong! It says to go clock wise! NO! You want to turn the flywheel in the same direction the wheels turn while going forward.



Turn the flywheel around several times while watching the rocker arms and the screw driver go up and down to get a feel for what's going on. You will be at TDC on the compression stroke when:
both sets of rocker arms should be up (edited from: "both rocker arms are down"  ...), the lobes on the cam will be down, but you can't see this
the piston is at max height, or as Dan says, the piston just starts to go back down. Use the screw driver in the spark plug hole to determine this.
There should be a little play in the rocker arms now.
Check that the timing marks on the flywheel and the crank case more or less line up.
Don't be afraid to keep turning the flywheel counter clockwise until you get the hang of it and are confident that you are at TDC on the COMPRESSION STROKE.
NOTE: Now is the time to adjust the decompression cable free play as discussed above. If you do not have a 17mm offset wrench or are too cheap to buy one, there are 2 other methods:
You can use a 17 mm deepwall socket w/ a 3/8" drive, but this is tricky. Due to inertia, the ratchet tends to let the flywheel spin past where you want it to be. That's the way ratchets work; they are free to spin in one direction.
Put the bike in 5th (4th on pre , uh '95? models) gear and push it forward... while watching the rocker arms and screw driver. Or jack up the rear wheel and spin it so that the wheel turns in the forward direction.
Just go buy a 17 mm offset wrench.
Now we can actually measure the valve clearance and adjust it if necessary.

Clearance Measurement Procedure

Take your feeler gauge out. The specs call for a clearance of 0.003" to 0.005", NOT mm, for both intake and exhaust. In mm, it's 0.08 mm to 0.13 mm. On my feeler gauge, the top number is in inches, and the bottom is in mm. Only the bottom number is labeled. If you are not sure which is which, inches are bigger than mm. An exact conversion is: 1 inch = 25.4 mm.


Make sure the gauges are clean and free of dirt. Oil is okay (they should come oily). Also, the " notation 0.005" means inches and is very common.
Put the smallest gauge between the bottom of the adjustment screw (e.g. part number "11") and the end of the valve stem (e.g. part number "31"). If it fits, that's okay. Keep moving up in sizes until they won't fit. See a) through c) for the various cases. As for actually getting the gauges between the adjustment screw and the valve stem, it can be tricky. What I recommend: 1st, make sure there is plenty of light. If you are on the left side of the bike, measure the clearance on the right side while holding the rocker arm up with your other hand (remember there should be little play). Even if the gauge will fit, it may be tricky to get it in there. Practice sliding it in and out until you are sure you are measuring the right thing! I had the most success pushing the gauge straight in, but you can get them in from the side.
If the 0.005" fits, but not the 0.006", the clearance is to spec. Go to step 6) of "ADJUSTING THE CLEARANCE." However, you may want to tighten them up just a little. Your call.
If the 0.003" won't fit, your valves are too tight. Go to "ADJUSTING THE CLEARANCE."
If the 0.005" fits, try the next size up. If the next size up and so forth fits, the clearance is too loose. Go to "ADJUSTING THE CLEARANCE."
Adjusting The Clearance

If your valve stem - rocker arm adjustment screw clearance is out of spec, it's time to adjust the clearance.

Now the 10 mm offset wrench comes in very handy. You can also use a 10 mm socket w/ a wratchet (1/4" drive is easiest), but you can't hold the screw in place while you tighten the locking nut later w/ the wratchet. You may be able to get a regular 10 mm wrench in there, but not easily and you may mess up the nuts.

Loosen the locking nut(s) with the 10 mm offset wrench. This means turning the nut counter clockwise as you look down on it. This will bring the nuts "up," towards where the gas tank would normally be. If you are still not sure, point the thumb on your RIGHT HAND up, and your fingers will point in the direction you should turn the wrench.
Don't go crazy, sure and steady doesn't strip the nut or bend the adjustment screw. I DO NOT RECOMEND REMVOING THE NUTS. If they fall into the engine... well, God help you.



With a flat head screw driver, loosen (same direction as immediately above) the adjustment screw.



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Reply #27 - 10/14/09 at 07:30:28
 
Insert the CLEAN feeler gauge of your choice between the adjustment screw and the end of the valve stem as before. I used the 0.004".
With the gauge still in there, tightend the adjustment screw. You should be able to remove the feeler gauge with a small amount of effort, i.e. there should be a little pressure on the guage, but not a lot. Finger tighten the lockinging nut.
Put the 10 mm offset wrench back on the the locking nut, and put the screw driver into the adjustment screw. Hold the screw in place and tighten the nut.


Recheck the clearance. If it is out of spec, go back to step 1).
You must do this for all 4 valves.

If you are successful, you are nearly done, but I STRONGLY RECOMMEND TURNING THE FLYWHEEL SEVERAL TIMES, RESET IT TO TDC ON THE COMPRESSIONS STROKE, AND RECHECKING THE CLEARANCES ON ALL FOUR VALVES. If the clearance is good, bolt everything back up.

When reinstalling the valve inspection covers, I strongly recommend throwing away the stock bolts and replacing them with new ones. If you have a torque wrench, you can get at the exhaust (front) bolts fairly easily, but not the rear ones (well, with a 3/8" drive, anyway). I recommend 12.5 ft-lbs. I found mine were tightened between 10 and 15 ft-lbs when removing them with a torque wrench. If you do not have a torque wrench that fits, use your 10 mm wrench. Tighten them firmly, but again, don't go crazy. Finger tight and then a bit more than wrench firm, maybe 1/8 to 1/4 turn. Turns out 6-8 ft-lbs is the proper torque.

When I went to reinstall them at 15 ft-lbs, I broke one. If you have not replaced the valve inspection cover bolts, they will likely break. If you hear a "click" nosie while tighening them, you have broken the bolt. It may still be in one piece. Remove it immediately. If it is compeltley sheared in two, you MAY be lucky and be able to get it out with a pair of needle nose pliers or vice-grips. Otherwise you will find out how to use a screw extractor kit... if you can get a drill on there.

When reinstalling the timing inspection pulg, make sure it is not cross threaded. Also, move the engine past TDC for easy starting (my bike did not like starting right there... just got a loud clanking sound).

Once the covers are back on, you should still have some gas in the carb. Start the bike up and listen. You should hear SOME valve noise, but not a lot. IF YOU HEAR LOTS OF VALVE NOISE, YOU PROBABLY ADJUSTED THE VALVES AT TDC ON THE EXHAUST STROKE. START OVER. This loud noise will be really obvoius. You've never heard it before on your bike. Do not ride it. Let the engine cool overnight, go get drunk, and start over tomorrow.
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Reply #28 - 10/14/09 at 07:53:52
 
The only thing I saw that made my stomach feel bad was a real, no kidding, metal screwdriver poked in the spark plug hole. I use a straw or wood dowel.

Blow the dirt from around the spark plug before removing it. I didnt once & spent over an hour fishing stuff out, but the road I live on is not a normally surfaced road,its called oil sand. KInda looks like asphalt, but its not.
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Reply #29 - 10/14/09 at 14:39:27
 
Thank you Sakara!  Cool

Very cool, since the pictures in my Clymers manual are soooo dark!

You are priceless Smiley
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