Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 09/29/09 at 14:26:43:Where are these educated people that you are referring to who are speaking up for Klotz 4 stroke oil products?
Other than Klotz, that is --
Bill "believes" strongly in their product. Great. I would be happy to find some other real people who are using the 4 stroke product and saying ANYTHING about it on the net, good or bad.
We've given up trying to find any technical specifications or characteristics to the Klotz special Techniplate additive that results in "zero wear". It was originally claimed to help coat cylinder walls after the 2 stroke combustion event took place .... this applies to your Savage engine how?
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(there is only one of us currently burning enough oil to make this case for Klotz, and we are not naming any names as he knows who he is ....)
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Zero wear in what test? Mobil 1 made the same claim for their original synthetic oil based on a sample of 1 engine. Klotz did a lot of their "claims" work on two stroke engines -- was this a two stroke test?
Now we have Gort, 'ol Mr Show Me The Data who is saying we can't disprove Klotz's claims -- duh, we don't even know the unknown test basis that they used to prove their "zero wear" is actually due to their undefined "Super Techniplate" technology. We can't even prove the Techniplate stuff (whatever it is) is actually in there.
Of course nobody can disprove completely undefined superlatives (that's why they called it snake oil in the old days -- you couldn't disprove it wasn't in there and that it didn't do all the stuff they said it did because it didn't exist in the first place).
Now what do I know about Klotz? It cost a lot and it didn't smoke as badly as Yamalube did. I deemed it good two stroke oil and I used it.
What do I know about Klotz 4 stroke oil after looking? It is a synthetic with Super Techniplate ingredient as it's claim to glory and it cost more per quart than a gallon of Rotella Triple Protection white jug oil costs you.
Folks have technical analysis break downs on the composition of normal oils that we discuss and we can talk about what they have and don't have in them.
You can't do this with Klotz as you can't prove (or disprove) or test for its undefined special ingredient.
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PS You CAN prove there ARE herbs and spices in Colonel Sanders special recipe chicken.
"Where are these educated people you speak of who are speaking up for Klotz 4 stroke products?" (O.F.)
Pay attention to what I said. I said nothing about anyone speaking up for Klotz. What I said was that no one here is qualified to DISCREDIT Klotz products. Just because you can't find the data you are looking for doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Therefore, your conclusions about the product are unsupported and invalid.
"WE'VE given up trying to find any technical specifications or characteristics to the Klotz special techniplate additive that results in zero wear." (O.F.)
Throughout your posts you keep trying to validate your personal opinions by suggesting you speak for other members. You say, "We've given up". "We" didn't give up, you did. You do not speak for the members here on any issue, anymore than anyone else on this board does.
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