Misdirection doesn't really do much.

Base oil + additives = product

Does product meet requirements of use?

Those are the questions here.  JASO / API certifications can help answer the second question.

Where an oil meets standards that encompass those required by a specific piece of equipment, and has the appropriate additives, then it will work for that equipment.  

Racing oil just doesn't seem necessarily ideal.  If indeed it's real racing oil.  Generally has more oil, less additives, and gets changed immediately.  At least that's what we did - run a race, change the oil & filter at a minimum.  We'd still have problems with bearings and cams at times.  Of course, when one takes an engine that's supposed to redline here, but you run it way up there, things will wear!

Klotz V twin API-SH/CG-4
Rotella Syn API SL, SJ, SH/CI-4 PLUS, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, CF

On bare specs, Rotella looks pretty nice.  It's superior to the usual.  

But they both look OK to me.  Suzuki shop guy showed me another today he said worked better than Rotella Syn (which he was using before) in his bikes.  Don't remember the name, but it was $35/gallon!!

While this isn't an oil shootout, I tend to suspect Shell has more money for oil research than most entities.

I dont need a warranty if its not broke, & so far, it is well out of warranty & it aint broke.

easywriter wrote on 09/29/09 at 15:42:14:

You really are kidding ain't you ?
Now just what do you suppose would have happened if you used Penzoil, or Havoline or Castrol or Valveoline or any other motor oil out there ? Sounds to me like this oil garbage is starting  to rub off on you,....you better be careful, you liable to start thinking like they do  

Drop the $1500.00 in the mail & Ill get you oil right out to ya!
Anyone else want the BEST Oil in the world?
Ive had it tested & its GREAT stuff..really, no seriously, you can trust me,,

Jabman, your data is about 2 years old and applies to the older class of CI-4 oils

(we use the current CJ-4 class oils -- the current Rotella T Triple Protection white jug dino oil has ash content that is within JASO limits).  

The older Rotella T formulation CI-4 from several years ago did not meet JASO for ash and the motorcycle world bitched about it voraciously until Shell fixed it.  We may not be a big part of their user world (big trucks are) but we are VOCAL more than most.

Rotella Syn CJ-4 in the blue jug has always had low ash and has always met JASO for all items since it came out in retail packaging.

Now, to save Bill the effort there is no JASO emblem on the bottle because Shell does not put it there.  Why?  Truckers aren't smart enough not to get confused by the additional markings that don't have anything to do with their industry?  Or why risk confusing them with a bunch of additional stuff on the bottle -- you got the #1 brand so don't mess with it?  (You pick the reason you like best)

Who knows?  The folks who need to know about JASO already know about it and you have those kindly folks at Bob is the Oil Guy to keep Shell on the straight and narrow about all specs.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1125618

ha sorry I waded in there with that. I cannot even get that oil in the UK. Im not looking to change oil, but what other non motorcycle oils do people use

If you want to pay as much as the Rotella oil costs to add ZDDP to some other oil you can go here.

(why would you do that? Just buy the right oil in the first place)

http://www.zddppluscentral.com/

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Jabman,

In England the name isn't Rotella,  it is Rimula  (don't ask me about brand name conflicts in various countries -- somebody has Rotella in use already)


Rimula D Extra to be more specific ..... there are several choices in that product line

http://cbrforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=100315

As far as wading in, if you like the smell of mud come on in -- it's an oil war (fairly civilized one so far)

We do these oil wars periodically as we have LOTS of newbies on this list and oil is important to our particular bike to use the right oil as we use some old antique valve/tappet technology and we have an oddity with our cam chain tensioner that makes oil very important to us.  

Plus our ever-helpful American politicians are playing with our oil through regulations actually causing our bikes to die prematurely.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1253437935/68#68

hey your right it is called  Rimula D here