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Reply #15 - 09/23/09 at 16:30:54

You have verified that you are getting spark. Fuel is getting to the carb (you have tried it on prime to eliminate vacumn issues for the moment). Unless the timing is way off..what would happen if you put a little petrol into the empty spark plug hole, then put the spark plug back in??
Are you near anyone where youcould switch out working parts..eg carb?

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Reply #16 - 09/23/09 at 16:34:33

Dumping a splash down the carb on a V-8 isnt real easy to flood one out sompletely. This bike seems to flood pretty easy, which is why I suggested the WD40. But, if you are very careful, you might make it go with the priming of the cylinder, but, its only gonna fire once, unlike a V8 primed in the manifold.
I suspect youve got some crap in the carb, I think shooting some vapor to it would be the quickest , easiest way to prove fuel flow into the cylinder.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28642 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #17 - 09/23/09 at 17:07:32 Gas in confirmed up to the float,... sounds like jets or fuel passages must be plugged up. If you have a set of guitar strings, .009 to .011" strings can run through jet holes and passages to clear blockages...
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RocksimusMaximus Junior Member 2005 No Login Offline Posts: 51	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #18 - 09/23/09 at 17:10:07 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/23/09 at 16:30:06: I'd pull the tube feeding air to the carb & spray some WD 40 in there. The propellant is propane. See if it bucks & coughs. It may even start. You talkin 'bout the tube that runs from the air filter to the carb?
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Reply #19 - 09/23/09 at 17:12:06

Serowbot wrote on 09/23/09 at 17:07:32:

Gas in confirmed up to the float,... sounds like jets or fuel passages must be plugged up.
If you have a set of guitar strings, .009 to .011" strings can run through jet holes and passages to clear blockages...

I already had the carb apart once... didnt notice much of anything... but I could be wrong... luckily I DO have some guitar strings if I pull the carb again.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28642 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #20 - 09/23/09 at 17:21:30 That vacuum tube coming off the carb, up to the petcock will feed WD-40 or a starting fluid straight into the intake manifold... You may get a few chuffs that way, but my money is on a plug-up in the carb.
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Reply #21 - 09/23/09 at 17:27:51

Serowbot wrote on 09/23/09 at 17:21:30:

That vacuum tube coming off the carb, up to the petcock will feed WD-40 or a starting fluid straight into the intake manifold...
You may get a few chuffs that way, but my money is on a plug-up in the carb.

Ok I tried that and no change. So uh... what does that mean? Lol. Time to give the carb a thorough clean and rebuild?

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Reply #22 - 09/23/09 at 17:50:28

You have fuel TO the carb, fire, and air coming in. That is what is needed to make an engine run. There has to be a problem getting the fuel/air mix from carb to cylinder, which means one or more of the TINY passageways within the carb body are clogged. Besides checking the pilot and main jet for cloggs, there is also the center passage of the needle jet and also at least 4 very tiny holes on the sides of the needle jet.
Also check the long thin brass tube that sticks down in the float bowl, it has a very tiny hole up through the shaft of the tube and also 2 cross holes near the end of the tube; one on each side of the tube. This is involved in the pilot circuit function.

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FreeSpirit Serious Thumper Offline Joy is my Compass ! Posts: 3823 North Georgia Gender:	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #23 - 09/23/09 at 19:09:10 What made the bike die in the first place? Could the carb have done that? Didnt someone here have a electrical short one time that caused the bike to die and then not start. Could there be a pinched gas or electrical line somewhere? Just asking you guys,cause I'm getting real curious
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RocksimusMaximus Junior Member 2005 No Login Offline Posts: 51	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #24 - 09/23/09 at 20:13:38 FreeSpirit wrote on 09/23/09 at 19:09:10: What made the bike die in the first place? That seems to be the million dollar question. I'd filled up about 40 miles earlier... so it was nowhere near time to hit the reserve yet.
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FreeSpirit Serious Thumper Offline Joy is my Compass ! Posts: 3823 North Georgia Gender:	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #25 - 09/23/09 at 20:27:15 Do you think it might have been bad gas? I did get bad gas in my car one time and thought I wouldnt make it home. But it ran okay for about 30+ miles or more before it started acting up. I dont know,could bad gas do that to a bike,this bike Just trying to help
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #26 - 09/23/09 at 20:35:11 Rocky, you're in Santa Monica if I remember correctly. I could be there sunday if there was food and beer involved. pm me
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: 24 hours later... Help? Reply #27 - 09/23/09 at 20:40:13 RocksimusMaximus wrote on 09/23/09 at 17:10:07: justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/23/09 at 16:30:06: I'd pull the tube feeding air to the carb & spray some WD 40 in there. The propellant is propane. See if it bucks & coughs. It may even start. You talkin 'bout the tube that runs from the air filter to the carb? Yep..
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Reply #28 - 09/24/09 at 14:23:01

Was there any slightly louder than normal knocking noises before it died?

The reason I ask , what you described is what the previous owner of the Savage I had said happened to it. He said it felt like it had run out of gas. He quickly switched to res and got it started for a second or two then nothing. Would crank fine, just didn't ever catch. His problem turned out to be a melted piston. So..... Do a real compression test with a gauge, so we can cross that off the list.

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Reply #29 - 09/24/09 at 18:17:09

T Mack 1 - FSO wrote on 09/24/09 at 14:23:01:

Was there any slightly louder than normal knocking noises before it died?

The reason I ask , what you described is what the previous owner of the Savage I had said happened to it. He said it felt like it had run out of gas. He quickly switched to res and got it started for a second or two then nothing. Would crank fine, just didn't ever catch. His problem turned out to be a melted piston. So..... Do a real compression test with a gauge, so we can cross that off the list.

Headed to Auto Zone to get a compression gauge. That carburetor is clean as a whistle now... and still getting the same crank but no catch problem.

Have a real bad feeling I get to spend my day tomorrow pullin that motor.

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