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Yet another oil war .....
08/11/09 at 07:23:05
 
This thread was supposed to be a detailed follow up thread where folks would state their actual experiences using Rotella Synthetic oil -- one of the few relatively inexpensive synthetics that has the ZDDP additive package that the Savage needs to keep cams, follower tappets and cam chains happy.

Instead it turned into yet another oil war complete with vitrol and nastiness and unless you just like reading folks indulging in "conflict tactics" it is hardly worth reading.

Sorry for wasting your time.

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Reply #1 - 08/11/09 at 07:45:49
 
 I would nothing but motorcycle oil in a motorcycle
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Reply #2 - 08/11/09 at 08:17:21
 
We did not all finally agree that this oil has everything a Savage needs. Perusal of previous posts on the subject of oil will show this.  Some members use and prefer Amsoil, some insist on the Mobil synthetic motorcycle oils, and others use various other brands.
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Reply #3 - 08/11/09 at 09:02:21
 
HE SAID NO ARGUING!!!  Angry  I think Oldfeller is just trying to confirm (or refute) the theory that Rotella is ONE oil that will work well for the Savage.

Now, GO TO YOUR ROOMS!!! Angry

(Wait, sorry, I thought I was talking to my 12 yr old twins.)
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Re: Use Reports, Rotella T Synthetic 5w40 (blue ju
Reply #4 - 08/11/09 at 09:08:11
 
OF, you need to put a waiver for the BTB crowd.
Thems with closed minds need not enter in.

Has the blue jug been out a year already?
Certainly hasn't been a year since the RotSyn war.
Of which marked the beginning of my use (nearly, next oil change)
I make it to be 9 mo's anyway

And what are you expecting?  
Full tear down aint happenin'
Oh wait it is happenin'  the '96 is slated for new chain, cam piston and cyl
But I've used 3 oils (RotDino/M1suv/RotSyn) with this so the results will be tainted
And my oil use askew the chart right over on its ear.  Yes I got the biggest 80 mph grin you'll ever see on a savage.
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Reply #5 - 08/11/09 at 09:09:40
 
serenity3743 wrote on 08/11/09 at 09:02:21:
(Wait, sorry, I thought I was talking to my 12 yr old twins.)


My twins are 13   Grin
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Reply #6 - 08/11/09 at 09:13:13
 
I bought some recently and will be trying it out on my next oil change. The last time I changed the oil, I used a Mobil synth and the difference was very noticeable. The engine ran much quieter and seemed to vibrate less.
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Reply #7 - 08/11/09 at 09:37:14
 
I have been using Rotella since the spring of 2007, through the heat of one Nevada summer, for a total of about 9,000 miles.

I changed oil (and filter) again this summer, and think that I will continue that routine.

Thus far I have noticed no problems. I have a slight oil leak around the head bolt located just above the exhaust (not the rubber plug), as has been reported by others on this site. I don't know if this is linked to the use of a synthetic or not.
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Reply #8 - 08/11/09 at 10:19:06
 
  I have been using Klotz Synthetic since 1971,Thus far no problems.
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Reply #9 - 08/11/09 at 10:55:35
 
I've been using the Mobil Synthetic motorcycle oils since they were introduced, and never needed to look to see if there were any problems with the product.  It was designed for motorcycles.
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Reply #10 - 08/11/09 at 11:20:10
 
I don't think you'll get an objective comparison here, due to all the different riding styles, climates, length of trips, mods, plus a lot of people change oils so frequently they don't really know what's doing what.  

And no one is going to tear down their engine and weigh the parts before & after brand X oil, then do the same with Rotella after the same number of miles under the same conditions.  

--BUT--

You've got that super-magnet that catches pretty much all the metal that your engine loses, right?  So run 1000 miles with the Rotella, carefully remove all the filings from your magnet and filter, then do another 1000 miles with another oil. Weigh the filings to 0.1g accuracy and that should give you a decent A/B comparison.

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Reply #11 - 08/11/09 at 11:22:26
 
Well said.
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Reply #12 - 08/11/09 at 11:42:48
 
Boule’tard wrote on 08/11/09 at 11:20:10:
You've got that super-magnet that catches pretty much all the metal that your engine loses, right?  So run 1000 miles with the Rotella, carefully remove all the filings from your magnet and filter, then do another 1000 miles with another oil. Weigh the filings to 0.1g accuracy and that should give you a decent A/B comparison.


Good suggestion, however, aluminum is non-magnetic.

I suggest that we take stock filters only, add the OF super mag mod, soak the filter in oil for 24 hrs. then drain on its side for 24 hrs.  Then weight.  Put in bike, run for 1000 miles, remove, drain like before and weight.

Not totally 100% as captured dirt will weigh in.  But better than trying to pick aluminum dust out of the filter.

BTW, I didn't know Rotella made klotz and mobil1  Shocked
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Reply #13 - 08/11/09 at 11:56:05
 
When I was in the Navy (many moons ago) there was this oil spectrometer thinga-ma-jig machines that they would use to test helicopter engine and transmission oils.  
Go get yerself one of them and have all the fun you could possibly want.
It sure was a piece of crud.. guy spent most of his time trying to get the "benchmark" samples to read what they should.
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Reply #14 - 08/11/09 at 12:19:33
 
  I don't think the metal on the magnet would mean anything a newer motor would have more,I think a dyno test to see which put out the most horsepower would show which had the less friction.
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