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mikestrikes Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 236 Decatur, AL Gender:	Swap 4 to 5 speed ? 08/07/09 at 17:07:31 Sooo I am about to do a search and read up on this, but just to put it out here if nothing but just to swap it out, I want the 4 speed, my 96 has a 5 speed right ? Its in very good condition... I'll trade for a real nice 4 speed AND a 14 tooth sprocket ! OK off to read and learn !
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rigidchop Serious Thumper Offline don't feed the drama llama Posts: 1105 ravenswood wv Gender:	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #1 - 08/07/09 at 17:22:22 I'm sure you'll find it in your search, but the answer is no. It's been discussed to death. Even by me LOL
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mikestrikes Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 236 Decatur, AL Gender:	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #2 - 08/07/09 at 17:25:43 No as in it has a 4 speed or No it wont swap out ?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #3 - 08/07/09 at 18:12:44 You wanta swap the whole engine right? Been a few discussions as to why you can't swap the tranny. When you swap engines, be sure to swap CDI's too and check the electrical connections before you wander off into the sunset/moonrise.
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mikestrikes Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 236 Decatur, AL Gender:	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #4 - 08/07/09 at 19:36:39 I searched 4 speed and didnt come up with much info. But I dont want to go swapping cases and other things to get it...
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #5 - 08/07/09 at 21:31:50 I know you cant make a 5 speed out of a 4 speed, but Why make a 4 out of a 5? The 4 speed is supposed to have a higher top end, but with the trike load on the engine, maybe the lower gearing offered by the 5 speed top gear would be easier on it?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #6 - 08/07/09 at 22:00:03 Mike, I've had an idea for a long time and maybe your the guy to proove it out. Can you take the 3rd gear set, swap driven for driving and put it in for 5th gear? The gear ratio would be about right for an 1000 rpm gear change from 4th to 5th.
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mikestrikes Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 236 Decatur, AL Gender:	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #7 - 08/08/09 at 09:07:05 verslagen1 wrote on 08/07/09 at 22:00:03: Mike, I've had an idea for a long time and maybe your the guy to proove it out. Can you take the 3rd gear set, swap driven for driving and put it in for 5th gear? The gear ratio would be about right for an 1000 rpm gear change from 4th to 5th. I'll give it a look see...
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Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ?
Reply #8 - 08/08/09 at 10:56:33

verslagen1 wrote on 08/07/09 at 22:00:03:

Mike, I've had an idea for a long time and maybe your the guy to proove it out.

Can you take the 3rd gear set, swap driven for driving and put it in for 5th gear?

The gear ratio would be about right for an 1000 rpm gear change from 4th to 5th.

Looking at it I'm lost, just because its the 3rd gear set doesn't mean its 3rd gear.. doesn't 1st gear stay meshed and that turns the shafts, then the forks push others together to make the others mesh and work...

Am I wrong ?

Looking at the 3rd set of gears they wont swap out with the 5th set of gears as they have a diff type of dogs...

Show me a pic of what you are referring to...

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mikestrikes Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 236 Decatur, AL Gender:	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #9 - 08/08/09 at 14:46:17 From what I'm seeing the answer is NO...
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ralfyguy Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 932	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #10 - 08/09/09 at 17:34:38 Looking at the picture, swapping and reversing the gear set for 2nd for the 5th would be best, if the dogs were the same.
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #11 - 08/09/09 at 17:54:07 Last line is if 3rd swaped drive for driven. Which ever pair of gears correspond to 3rd, that's the ones. Now this would mean you need to get a second set of 3rd's, and put it in place of 5th.
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mikestrikes Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 236 Decatur, AL Gender:	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #12 - 08/09/09 at 19:21:34 I cant see how any of the gears can be swaped to any place, they are all a little diff with the dogs and shift fork grooves ! I have taking them apart and try'd 3 times and dont see it happing. Would need to find someone with a CNC Mill and make a set ?
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #13 - 08/09/09 at 21:04:18 they are all a little diff with the dogs and shift fork grooves ! Which could be helpful if a guy had all that apart.
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ralfyguy Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 932	Re: Swap 4 to 5 speed ? Reply #14 - 08/09/09 at 21:10:22 I don't understand why the set for 3rd should be applied. That would make it shorter and higher revving than before.
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