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Reply #15 - 07/08/09 at 19:21:33
 
odvelasc wrote on 07/01/09 at 06:44:08:
Your pipe is loose dude. I have removed my pipe a few times and dont have that issue. My issue has been that the nuts dont screw back on to the heat shield as the part the nuts screw onto turns with the nut and the nut vibrates off. But I fixed that problem with lock tight. Perhaps your muffler is not mounted to the frame properly. There is a mounting arm where it bolts onto. did you positin the pipe back to its original spot and tighten your nuts at the cylinder nice and tight?


Odv,

Thanks for your input.

You may be on to something (see above), as I discovered that the forward rubber spacer on the muffler's rear stay is damaged.  Perhaps a new part there will straighten everything out?

You mentioned that you cannot get the nuts tight on your head shield.  Perhaps you may want to try keeping the long bolts the nuts screw on to from turning.  Use a wrench on the bolt heads on the port side of the engine to do this.
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Reply #16 - 07/08/09 at 19:22:56
 
marine5317 wrote on 07/01/09 at 19:06:03:
Like Verslagen said, there are little retangular pads about 3/16 -1/4 inch thick that were at one time glued inside the heat shield. I doubt if you can buy them from the dealer. If you can get hold of a new automotive brake shoe you could cut some of the lining off and make new ones. Use high temp glue, maybe J B Weld.

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Marine,

Another good idea, thanks!
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Reply #17 - 07/08/09 at 19:23:56
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/01/09 at 23:02:50:
iS THE MUFFLER TIGHT ON THE REAR SUPPORT? cAN YOU RAISE THE MUFFLER UP A BIT IN THAT SUPPORT & GET THE CLEARANCE BACK DOWN FRONT>?

OOps dang caplox, sorry.


Jus,

I'll experiment with different configurations.

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Reply #18 - 07/08/09 at 19:25:52
 
serenity3743 wrote on 07/02/09 at 05:24:57:
marine5317 wrote on 07/01/09 at 19:06:03:
Like Verslagen said, there are little retangular pads about 3/16 -1/4 inch thick that were at one time glued inside the heat shield. I doubt if you can buy them from the dealer.


I've seen the pads on a microfiche and I did buy them when I installed a new muffler and header.


Serenity.

Thanks....the fiches I've seen (two different ones) showed just one pad on the backside of the heat shield.  And, I've got just one pad on the back of my heat shield.
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Reply #19 - 07/08/09 at 19:27:51
 
Boule’tard wrote on 07/02/09 at 09:41:17:
I think the header has rotated slightly outward.  A quick fix would be to loosen the header collar, muffler clamp and rear mount, then tighten them while you apply a little inward pressure to the header.  Wedge a small piece of wood or something between the shield and header as you re-torque the bolts.

When I put on a Dyna muffler I had to do that, as well as remove the asbestos pads (good riddance) and put a small washer behind the lower heat shield mount.  For some reason there was always plenty of clearance at the top of the shield, but the lower one was a PITA.  I will look for the same problem you have; thanks for the heads-up.


Boul,

Thanks....I'll experiment with different configurations.
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Reply #20 - 07/08/09 at 19:30:03
 
Boule’tard wrote on 07/04/09 at 09:07:58:
Well fudge, marshmellows, and crappity-smack, mine rubs too.  Without the pads the header wants to drift outward over time. I "fixed" it by folding some aluminum foil 16 layers thick, and about the same 1"x2" size as the original asbestos pads.  Then I loosened the lower acorn nut and put the aluminum pad where the pinch was tightest before tightening the nut.  If that doesn't stay put I'll switch to copper shim stock (same as I used to shim out the muffler joint) and stick it on with a dab of Autozone muffler adhesive.

Thank you Digger,  I need another exhaust leak like I need a hole in the head(er).


Boul,

Well, I'll be dipped in doo!

I may end up trying the aluminum foil trick myself before this is all said and done.

Thanks for the update!
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Reply #21 - 07/08/09 at 19:32:58
 
verslagen1 wrote on 07/08/09 at 19:10:58:
pretty sure mine had 2 in front and 2 in rear and not as big as yours.
I'll try to confirm.
also my front rubber bushing is damaged on both bikes.  think it's common.


Ver,

Are you saying that you had a total of 4 pads on your heat shield?

Also, when I reinstall the muffler, I'll see if I can do something to preserve the integrity of the forward rubber cushion on the rear muffler stay.  I'll post if I find something helpful.
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Reply #22 - 07/08/09 at 20:38:49
 
Just took a peek at my spares...
The front one has just 2, one like yours and another in back.
The rear heat shield has 4.
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Reply #23 - 07/09/09 at 11:08:09
 
verslagen1 wrote on 07/08/09 at 20:38:49:
Just took a peek at my spares...
The front one has just 2, one like yours and another in back.
The rear heat shield has 4.


Ver,

You have inspired my lazy azz to take a closer look at the backside of my forward heat shield.

Mystery solved!   Cool

As you can see in the photo below (in which the contrast and brightness have been altered to accentuate the pertinent details), I used to have two pads there (I currently have just one).  You can see in the photo the "scar" left behind by the missing pad.  Where it went and when, I do not know.   Sad





I'll order another pad (they are cheap).

However, my question now is What should I use to keep the new replacement pad in place?

I'm tempted to use this stuff as "glue":

Permatex Ultra Copper

Or, maybe even this stuff:

Permatex Black Silicone Adhesive Sealant

I've got a tube of each sitting in my garage refrigerator.

Thoughts?

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Reply #24 - 07/09/09 at 11:20:30
 
I'd hope the pad came with self stickum.  But the ultra copper would be my next choice too.
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Reply #25 - 07/17/09 at 19:03:57
 
Well, I got a brand new OEM asbestos heat shield pad and stuck it on (it came with adhesive)......and it did nothing to help my problem.   Angry

I installed the forward heat shield with the new pad on it (it now has a total of two asbestos pads) and snugged up all four of the bolts that hold the OEM muffler to the bike (two header bolts and two rear muffler support nuts).  There was a gap between the header and the forward heat shield, but it was awfully small (about 0.035").

Well, I scratched my head a bit.  I then removed the four muffler bolts and added two thick washers to rearmost of the two studs that connect the rear of the muffler to the rear muffler support.  I put the washers between the muffler and the rear muffler support.  You can see the washers in this pic, they are silver:





I snugged everything up and then re-measured the heat shield gap.  I was now up to 0.050".  Not great, but an improvement.  Here is what the gap looks like now (you are looking forward and up from underneath the bike toward the rear of the forward heat shield):






Not really the best of fixes, but I was too lazy to take the heat shield back off and hog out the rear mounting hole (perhaps the best fix).  Maybe I'll do that the next time I have the bike torn apart.
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Reply #26 - 07/17/09 at 20:26:53
 
Digger, if you decide to put a soft metal pad between the parts, don't bother with the multiple layers of foil.. no good.  The vibration just packs it down to nothing, chews it up and spits it out.  I figured that would happen, so went with plan B,, bent a piece of copper to the radius of the heat shield, gave them a good scuff and stuck them together Versachem muffler seal. So far so good.
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Reply #27 - 07/17/09 at 21:24:22
 
Boule’tard wrote on 07/17/09 at 20:26:53:
Digger, if you decide to put a soft metal pad between the parts, don't bother with the multiple layers of foil.. no good.  The vibration just packs it down to nothing, chews it up and spits it out.  I figured that would happen, so went with plan B,, bent a piece of copper to the radius of the heat shield, gave them a good scuff and stuck them together Versachem muffler seal. So far so good.


Boul,

I've got some sheet copper.  That sounds like a good idea if I run into problems down the road.

Thanks!
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Reply #28 - 07/18/09 at 07:51:17
 
Digger wrote on 07/17/09 at 19:03:57:
Well, I got a brand new OEM asbestos heat shield pad and stuck it on (it came with adhesive)......


Where'd you find those?

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Reply #29 - 07/18/09 at 19:04:04
 
DrunkenDwarf wrote on 07/18/09 at 07:51:17:
Digger wrote on 07/17/09 at 19:03:57:
Well, I got a brand new OEM asbestos heat shield pad and stuck it on (it came with adhesive)......


Where'd you find those?

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Got it at my dealer.  Cost less than three bucks.
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