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04/04/09 at 12:03:55

I just tore into the savage to investigate my now rich running condition after paying a local mechanic to do my spacer mod and you'll never guess what I find..... the darn white spacer is still in there. Of course 3 of the 4 little washers from Lancers kit are missing????? The 152.5 main did get installed I see. The K&N cone filter is cracked and my plug is black. Looks like it has never been changed up till now. I just replaced it with an NGK Iridium, sure the beast will like that!
So if the spacer was replaced with the washers would my bike be running a little better?? It does look dirty so I plan to blast it with some carb cleaner.

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T Mack 1 - FSO Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline sold 2001 LS650 for a 1986 XLH1100 Posts: 2919 Emmaus,Pa Gender:	Re: Opinions please Reply #1 - 04/04/09 at 14:13:55 The spacer is not super common so a mechanic might not know to adjust it. Also, if they had the slide apart, it is real easy to mess up the order the parts go together. If the spacer is on the wrong side, the bike would run very rich. T MacK "been there .... done that....."
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NewThumperGuy Full Member Offline Lets Ride!!!! Posts: 119 Sarnia, Ontario, Canada Gender:	Re: Opinions please Reply #2 - 04/04/09 at 16:26:16 Well I'm pretty sure I explained things well enough and why didn't the other #4 washers get returned with the remaining jets?? Guess I'll know the facts when I go in and ask for my washers on Monday!
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NewThumperGuy Full Member Offline Lets Ride!!!! Posts: 119 Sarnia, Ontario, Canada Gender:	Re: Opinions please Reply #3 - 04/04/09 at 16:35:55 Know I think my jet needle spring is missing too! Could I have missed it in the carb? If I need to replace it what am I looking for?
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diamond jim Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 1425 North Alabama Gender:	Re: Opinions please Reply #4 - 04/04/09 at 18:18:36 If you need to replace it, look for one of those dremel tool magnet/spring refresher kits. Seems the spring is about that size and tension.
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NewThumperGuy Full Member Offline Lets Ride!!!! Posts: 119 Sarnia, Ontario, Canada Gender:	Re: Opinions please Reply #5 - 04/04/09 at 18:20:42 Thx Jim
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Reply #6 - 04/04/09 at 19:25:51

NewThumperGuy wrote on 04/04/09 at 16:35:55:

Know I think my jet needle spring is missing too!

Could I have missed it in the carb?

If I need to replace it what am I looking for?

Hmmm ... can you see me scratching my head from there....

No spring..... the spring holds the needle up and away from the hole that is the jet. No spring and the needle drops down into the hole. Not so sure the bike would run without it. Maybe it's still in the slide.

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Reply #7 - 04/05/09 at 05:56:39

T Mack, I was wondering that myself. I remembered the mention in the thread to be carefull not to loose that spring so I was sure to be gentle and carefull when disassembling. I did not see it come out but I did not notice if it was still in the slide or not either! I will have to look closer Monday morn before confronting the mechanic who did the work originally. I really hope it's in there still!
I dont think the mechanic got to far with the pilot jet either, after inspecting it looked as though he may have had a hard time removing it cause I can see the signs of where the screw driver was slipping!

I should have listened to all of you guys from the beginning and just jumped in there myself with the assisstance of the forums Embarrassed

But I'm glad the mechanic got to deal with the hassles of loosening all the bolts and screws Grin

Thanks again T Mack

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diamond jim Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 1425 North Alabama Gender:	Re: Opinions please Reply #8 - 04/05/09 at 06:06:21 If you pull the slide out, you can hold the needle and gently move it in and out. You'll be able to feel if has a spring in it or not.
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NewThumperGuy Full Member Offline Lets Ride!!!! Posts: 119 Sarnia, Ontario, Canada Gender:	Re: Opinions please Reply #9 - 04/05/09 at 14:10:43 Jim, I have the needle right out and everything out on the bench. When I pulled it out I never noticed any spring??
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diamond jim Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 1425 North Alabama Gender:	Re: Opinions please Reply #10 - 04/05/09 at 17:57:47 So you don't have this spring on the needle?
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NewThumperGuy Full Member Offline Lets Ride!!!! Posts: 119 Sarnia, Ontario, Canada Gender:	Re: Opinions please Reply #11 - 04/06/09 at 03:50:17 Just got into work and confirmed it, no spring anywhere. I'm positive it was never there when I disassembled!!!??? And it was running before I jumped into the work too?? Just not the greatest.
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Reply #12 - 04/06/09 at 05:07:41

Print the pic with the spring on the needle, grab the needle and head to a hardware store. Find a spring for it that looks like the one in the pic. You'll likely need to trim the length. I don't think the Lowes near me carries any springs like that. They do sell larger individual springs, mostly for pulling, not compression. Lowes does sell a spring pack that's got about 20 different springs in it but I'm not sure if it includes one that will work for the needle. Seems like it was about $8 for the pack. There is a Marvin's near me that does sell a good variety of individual springs and likely has one. Don't know about Ace or the other chain stores. Like I wrote earlier, I think the springs in the dremel tool magnet/spring replacement kit will work. Those kits are maybe $7 whereas an individual spring at Marvins will cost maybe 40 cents.

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NewThumperGuy Full Member Offline Lets Ride!!!! Posts: 119 Sarnia, Ontario, Canada Gender:	Re: Opinions please Reply #13 - 04/06/09 at 05:26:46 Printing the picture and taking it in to the mechanic, I have the carb construction pic from the thread too. He doesn't think there is supposed to be a spring there and is questioning how it would work by allowing the needle to "float" too much?? I will update shortly!!
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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Opinions please Reply #14 - 04/06/09 at 05:29:34 I would go to the dealer and get the right spring,the length and tension has to be right or it want work right.
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