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kel30734 Senior Member Offline Dragon Rider Posts: 486 Calhoun, GA Gender:	Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip Reply #1125 - 07/08/10 at 15:58:27 Looks Like it would be kinda hot for Camping... no shade
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Midnightrider Serious Thumper Offline Alliance Member Posts: 3244 Winston Salem, NC	Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip Reply #1126 - 07/08/10 at 18:47:17 They're shady spots available, I just didnt photograph them. I was trying to hurry and get home before it got any warmer. Youre talking about hot, that was one hot ride today. The temp got up to 100 and the humidity was in the 80's!
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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10661 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip Reply #1127 - 07/08/10 at 20:12:06 Toymaker wrote on 07/07/10 at 10:24:34: Lancer, it is probabily in the Ignition module. I swaped it out this moring with a spare and no change in symptoms. Also pulled head cover and cam & chain are properly aligned. Where to now ? ?
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Reply #1128 - 07/08/10 at 20:49:04

Dont know your present carb set up but I experienced SOME similar problems with the Vm38 you sent me until I realized I was running very very lean. I've got the UFO but no DAJ and had to up-jet to a point that I wouldve considered extremely excessive based on the forum information, except for my real world results. I dont mean to sound like an upstart talking carb issues to the carb guru but...if it isnt your coil/plug and it isnt your CDI and it isnt your timing...

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Reply #1129 - 07/09/10 at 04:45:17

BurnPgh wrote on 07/08/10 at 20:49:04:

Dont know your present carb set up but I experienced SOME similar problems with the Vm38 you sent me until I realized I was running very very lean. I've got the UFO but no DAJ and had to up-jet to a point that I wouldve considered extremely excessive based on the forum information, except for my real world results. I dont mean to sound like an upstart talking carb issues to the carb guru but...if it isnt your coil/plug and it isnt your CDI and it isnt your timing...

I understand completely, you've got to go with what works for you machine.
I have switched carbs back and forth during this process between an Edelbrock and the VM with the same result.
The Edelbrock was on at the beginning and everything ran really well, smooth and easy from the time I first hit the starter button. I road for 3 or 4 days about an hour for each ride without one single hickup the whole time.
A few hours after that last ride I started it to go out again after changing the needle for a richer one, and it did not want to run right, with symptoms as described. So I went back to the first needle butno change, still crazy, and it has been like that ever since.
This is really strange.

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Reply #1130 - 07/09/10 at 06:26:38

LANCER wrote on 07/09/10 at 04:45:17:

BurnPgh wrote on 07/08/10 at 20:49:04:

Dont know your present carb set up but I experienced SOME similar problems with the Vm38 you sent me until I realized I was running very very lean. I've got the UFO but no DAJ and had to up-jet to a point that I wouldve considered extremely excessive based on the forum information, except for my real world results. I dont mean to sound like an upstart talking carb issues to the carb guru but...if it isnt your coil/plug and it isnt your CDI and it isnt your timing...

I understand completely, you've got to go with what works for you machine.
I have switched carbs back and forth during this process between an Edelbrock and the VM with the same result.
The Edelbrock was on at the beginning and everything ran really well, smooth and easy from the time I first hit the starter button. I road for 3 or 4 days about an hour for each ride without one single hickup the whole time.
A few hours after that last ride I started it to go out again after changing the needle for a richer one, and it did not want to run right, with symptoms as described. So I went back to the first needle butno change, still crazy, and it has been like that ever since.
This is really strange.

Has it got GAS.................. Cool

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MMRanch Serious Thumper Offline Evil flourishes if Good Men do Nothing. Posts: 5835 LYNCHBURG TN Gender:	Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip Reply #1131 - 07/09/10 at 08:24:07 Well Lancer It sounds like the bowl is comming back off that carb. Could a piece of trash been in the Larger jet ? Or the gasket or float level been out of place. Sometimes I overlook the sillys little's thing , I hope that is a common trait under the shade trees of the world, float level ?
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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10661 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip Reply #1132 - 07/09/10 at 08:33:44 I've had both the Edelbrock and VM on & off & apart several times and they are clean & adjusted per spec. The thing is that the symptoms are the same regardless of which carb is mounted so the problem is hiding elsewhere...but where ?
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Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip
Reply #1133 - 07/09/10 at 09:19:03

lancer, I think you should create a sepparate thread for rex-analysis.

Idles, but won't rev up.
happened after 3 or 4 hours running great.
swapped out edelbrock for VM, same

do you have the safety's still installed? kickstand, clutch?
when you said the cam was correctly timed, with the crank dead on the mark, the taunt side of the chain, the mark was slightly up?

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Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip
Reply #1134 - 07/09/10 at 14:44:09

verslagen1 wrote on 07/09/10 at 09:19:03:

lancer, I think you should create a sepparate thread for rex-analysis.

Idles, but won't rev up.
happened after 3 or 4 hours running great.
swapped out edelbrock for VM, same

do you have the safety's still installed? kickstand, clutch?
when you said the cam was correctly timed, with the crank dead on the mark, the taunt side of the chain, the mark was slightly up?

everything comfirmed but "taught side of chain" so will recheck

** do I have 2 cam chain tensioners at your place ? I could not remember if we swapped the conversion for the GS brake caliper or not; too many things going on for me; brain is overloaded...yep, again Tongue

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Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip
Reply #1135 - 07/09/10 at 15:09:21

LANCER wrote on 07/09/10 at 14:44:09:

** do I have 2 cam chain tensioners at your place ? I could not remember if we swapped the conversion for the GS brake caliper or not; too many things going on for me; brain is overloaded...yep, again Tongue

Yes, those 2 have finally welded and will be assembling within the next couple of weeks.

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Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip
Reply #1136 - 07/09/10 at 15:43:23

verslagen1 wrote on 07/09/10 at 15:09:21:

LANCER wrote on 07/09/10 at 14:44:09:

** do I have 2 cam chain tensioners at your place ? I could not remember if we swapped the conversion for the GS brake caliper or not; too many things going on for me; brain is overloaded...yep, again Tongue

Yes, those 2 have finally welded and will be assembling within the next couple of weeks.

ok, thanks

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MMRanch Serious Thumper Offline Evil flourishes if Good Men do Nothing. Posts: 5835 LYNCHBURG TN Gender:	Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip Reply #1137 - 07/09/10 at 18:24:47 Lancer Listen to your self .... you just said its not the carb. Start with replacing the plug and work your way to the "B L A C K --- B O X"
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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10661 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip Reply #1138 - 07/10/10 at 03:21:43 that is basically what I am doing check; swap; test repeat etc
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Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip
Reply #1139 - 07/10/10 at 05:45:38

GET ER DONE

and good luck doing it.

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The Might REX , takes one down spins him around then there is

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