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Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip
Reply #1080 - 07/03/10 at 06:55:57

Lancer,

A speed limit is the crew you are riding with.

A speed limit is the area in which you are riding.

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The Appalachian Parkway is nice to look at, but the only thing you or I would see at on a Parkway trip would be BIG speeding tickets and somebody actually trying to follow us and getting accidentally bermed.

We would be better off to stick to the main Dragon run where we CAN run "at speed" because they pretty much ignore bike speeding up there and the crew that goes to the early Dragon run KNOWS what it is all about and has no frick'n delusions about any sightseeing.

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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10661 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip Reply #1081 - 07/03/10 at 08:38:58 My personal speed limit is whatever is needed based upon conditions of road, weather & posted limits so as to keep my beautiful body in one whole and functional piece without any pain or limitations. I be careful...I do not like to hurt.........
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Reply #1082 - 07/03/10 at 08:41:23

LANCER wrote on 07/03/10 at 08:38:58:

My personal speed limit is whatever is needed based upon conditions of road, weather & posted limits so as to keep my beautiful body in one whole and functional piece without any pain or limitations. Cool

I be careful...I do not like to hurt.........

DITTO...... 70mph on the sweepers of the cherahola... according to Big Zuk

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Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip
Reply #1083 - 07/03/10 at 11:49:45

And I think that Kel finally accepts that he was going even faster than that later on -- 75 (or slightly higher) on the broad stuff when he was chasing me and we had both left Zuk way behind because he didn't want his son going that fast or riding that close to the edge.

I know this because I had shifted out of third into fourth and was starting to wick it on up in 4th (4th ends up in the 90's and there is no speed wobble in the mountains because you are never riding the tire on the flat, ever -- always up on the edge to some degree or another)

And yes, you don't want to go on a ride with Lancer, Kel, BigZuk or me on fast broad sweeping roads like the Skyway --- they are just too too much fun to go fast upon (and we do, we do)

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Reply #1085 - 07/04/10 at 08:42:56

Be'n the carb guy you'd think I could make at least one of em work....but nooooooo; 2 carbs to work with, an Edelbrock & 36 VM that I got off ebay, and neither one of them will work at all. It doesn't seem to matter which hammer I use, they still refuse to work properly. They cough spit and sputter like they are clogged in spite of several tear downs and blow-outs with cleaner. Then the VM pee's all over the bike and ground just to add insult to injury.

It does start some now, though there is still coughing back through the carb sporadically and it wants to die. applying choke can rev it up some but it does not want to do so by turning the throttle...turn the throttle and it wants to die.
It will run smoothly for 5-10 sec occasionally which makes me think that the cam chain has NOT jumped the sprocket...wha'cha think ?

I have traded carbs; no change really
changed coils; no change

? ? ? INPUT PLEASE

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Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip
Reply #1086 - 07/04/10 at 09:25:38

Pull plug, look at plug spark while grounding and cranking engine.

Also, while plug is out check the compression against your recorded value for whacked/bent valves
(high compression piston vs high lift cam).

You mention "spitting back thru carb" -- symptom that intake valve isn't shutting off on compression stroke sporadically -- slight bend, some mal-adjusted valve clearance, you name it)

Lack of compression -- see valves or toasted head gasket

If compression is OK and valves are correctly adjusted -- will it run OK and rev right on up with a protracted shot of ethyl ether (starting fluid)?

If yes, go carburetor

If no, go electrical/spark

(and if you do try the starter fluid trick first, and it runs OK, you can omit all the plug testing and compression testing stuff)

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kel30734 Senior Member Offline Dragon Rider Posts: 486 Calhoun, GA Gender:	Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip Reply #1087 - 07/04/10 at 10:55:44 MMRanch.......... where are the MILLION PICS you took?
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Reply #1088 - 07/04/10 at 14:32:13

It hot outside so I'll try some pictures now. If I remember correctly I put them on bikepics the hook a link from Savage.com ????

Lancer
one time I put a carb from a 175 honda on my 5HP lawnmower. to get it turned upright I had to use two(2) intake manifolds form the 175. The intake "STACK" was really long. It wouldn't idle below 2000 rpm but would hit 6000 or so real easy. Not quit as fancy as the one off "Home Improvement" show bit it ran to fast for a mower.
Doin't know if that helps ?

on with the pictures.

http://www.bikepics.com/members/mmranch/p1/

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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10661 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip Reply #1090 - 07/05/10 at 03:47:20 OH MAN, THEY CAUGHT YOU GUYS MESSIN AROUND, ARRESTED YOU AND GOT YOU IN A LINE UP ALREADY EH ? ?
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Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip
Reply #1091 - 07/05/10 at 03:48:57

Oldfeller--FSO wrote on 07/04/10 at 09:25:38:

Pull plug, look at plug spark while grounding and cranking engine.

Also, while plug is out check the compression against your recorded value for whacked/bent valves
(high compression piston vs high lift cam).

You mention "spitting back thru carb" -- symptom that intake valve isn't shutting off on compression stroke sporadically -- slight bend, some mal-adjusted valve clearance, you name it)

Lack of compression -- see valves or toasted head gasket

If compression is OK and valves are correctly adjusted -- will it run OK and rev right on up with a protracted shot of ethyl ether (starting fluid)?

If yes, go carburetor

If no, go electrical/spark

(and if you do try the starter fluid trick first, and it runs OK, you can omit all the plug testing and compression testing stuff)

FOUND THE PROBLEM ! ! WILL POST A PHOTO OF IT IN A LITTLE BIT

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MMRanch Serious Thumper Offline Evil flourishes if Good Men do Nothing. Posts: 5835 LYNCHBURG TN Gender:	Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip Reply #1093 - 07/05/10 at 08:13:52 Thanks OF for bring the pictures on board. You'll have to PM me with the "how to" 's . I have a lot more where those came from but a lot of them are of the same events. Lancer if we do the Blue Ridge thing , that would be a good time to Break-in REX (execpt for the speed limits).
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Oldfeller--FSO Serious Thumper ModSquad Offline Hobby is now "concentrated neuropany" Posts: 12671 Fayetteville, NC Gender:	Re: This Year's Tail of the Dragon Trip Reply #1094 - 07/05/10 at 09:32:51 I don't think Lancer can go THAT slow, much less riding on REX. Last time he ran the Blue Ridge he left us all way way behind ..... (that was #1 for Toymaker being RSU on the slick grass)
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