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Turn Signals (Resolved)
10/06/08 at 16:59:22

Anyone know how you hook up an incandescent aftermarket turn signal, with just a positive wire, no ground? I tried running hot to the new signal and ground to the frame, but (working on the back right turn signal) I get noting from the back right and the front right goes double time. Left side still works fine. I sanded the paint off of my ground point, so that should be good. Any ideas? Maybe cross the ground wires from both back signals, completing the circuit? Huh

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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6049 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Turn Signals Reply #1 - 10/06/08 at 17:05:39 think the rears neg are common with the tail will look it up brb..
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SavageGreaseMonkey13 Ex Member	Re: Turn Signals Reply #2 - 10/06/08 at 17:06:16 there is a short some where due to the right front blinking faster than normal. check to see if the bulb is any good first and then check to see if you have power and grounds with a test light. good luck
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Justinmkantor Full Member Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 117 Monterey, CA Gender:	Re: Turn Signals Reply #3 - 10/06/08 at 17:08:43 The only thing I consider to be a true ground is frame or engine block. So much vibration, especially with the swingarm, grounds can be hard to find. Why not just use the regular wire. Watch the wiring, if done wrong your light will 1) be very dim or 2) burn out quickly.
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6049 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Turn Signals Reply #4 - 10/06/08 at 17:14:19 96/97 black w/ white tracer is common/neg for both t.s.,tag light, and tail/brake light... fast flash is because flasher doesent have enuff load to flash at correct speed..thats an added safty feature on t.s. ckts to show you have a bulb out..
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Reply #5 - 10/06/08 at 17:21:10

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there is a short some where due to the right front blinking faster than normal. check to see if the bulb is any good first and then check to see if you have power and grounds with a test light

Short, that was my first thought. But I haven't done anything but hook up a new signal and ground to the frame. Could that have popped something?

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The only thing I consider to be a true ground is frame or engine block

Grounding to one of the air box mounts, which is welded to the frame. Paint is sanded. Should be good, I would think... Huh

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think the rears neg are common with the tail with look it up brb... 96/97 wiring diagram shows black w/ white tracer is the neg/common back there along with the tag light

Yeah, got the black/white as the ground. (At first I thought green=ground. Silly Me!) So can I just cross the grounds from the two rear signals and be good to go?

Thanks for the help. I know wiring is simple, but it still confuses me... Shocked

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Reply #6 - 10/06/08 at 17:29:08

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fast flash is because flasher doesent have enuff load to flash at correct speed

Another thought I had. After the fact, of course. So I need a resistor, an electronic turn signal relay, or a new set of signals. (or just go back to the old ones...., but I don't want to do that!) Anyone happen to know the specs for the oem singals? We just started a tech thread on which tach's would work, how about aftermarket turn signals, etc.....

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Reply #7 - 10/09/08 at 18:22:50

So I gave up on the new signals for the moment, tired of being in a cage.... anyway, while I was reinstalling the fender rails/stock signals, I caught the right rear signal's hot wire in one of the bolts for the fender rail. Result? Blown relay fuse. Ok. So I fixed the damaged wire (cut, soldered, and wrapped with electrical tape) and replaced the fuse. Now, I have problems. When I turn on the right side signals the headlight and the signals go dim, and the indicator stays dark. When I turn on the left side signals, the head light is fine and signals and indicator come on, but don't flash. Steady on. The horn doesn't work either. Huh

Head light (high beam/low beam), neutral light, tail light, brake light and both brake light switches work. Turn signal relay tests good on both wires. Rectifier checks out. Bike starts and runs no problem. I've been tracing wires with a test light for an two hours and am staring to get cross-eyed staring at the wiring chart! Shocked

Anybody got any ideas?

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Turn Signals Reply #8 - 10/09/08 at 18:40:44 Take the right bulb out and check for a short on the high side. check the low side to make sure it is shorted.
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eanon Full Member Offline Thump-Thump-Thu mp Posts: 219 Austin, Texas Gender:	Re: Turn Signals Reply #9 - 10/09/08 at 18:59:11 Yup. Ground checks good. Hot, not so good. Traced it back to the signal switch so far. Should I assume the relay is good since both sides checked out?
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Ed L. Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline "We All go a Little Crazy Sometimes" Norman Bates Posts: 2808 Sunny Florida Gender:	Re: Turn Signals Reply #10 - 10/09/08 at 19:13:18 Try removing the front bulb if you are working on the back light or the other way around if you are working on the rear and checking the circuit with a meter. Both turn signals on one side run off a common hot so you might be grounding out one socket thru the bulb on the other end of the bike if the wires are crossed.
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Re: Turn Signals (Resolved)
Reply #11 - 10/12/08 at 13:31:57

Well, after hours of tracing wires with a test light, and not really finding anything, I decided to just try and replace the relay. Turns out, it works! WooHoo!!!! Someone else here on the board mentioned this recently, and so I tried it. Standard 2 prong, 12V car relay from autozone. After a quick solder, I was back in business. Cheesy

Here's the one I used:
http://www.connectorsupply.com/catalog/tridon-electronic-flasher-p-350.html
Got it for $9.50 after tax.

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Savage_Amusement Serious Thumper Offline On this steel horse I ride. Posts: 1004 Omaha, NE Gender:	Re: Turn Signals (Resolved) Reply #12 - 06/09/09 at 20:26:00 I used that exact same flasher, the electronic one and with the turn signals it wouldn't work, but with the hazzards it would. I guess my Led's didn't have enough draw to make it work like it should. I can get them to work with the stock flasher oddly enough. Maybe after I add the rest of my lights it will work like it should.
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