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09/12/08 at 16:05:35
 
Hi guys,
I'm new to this site though I've been lurking for a few weeks. I'm currently looking for a savage. I've always been attracted by that big 650 thumper motor.But I'm not very fond of custom looking bikes (my background is bikes from the 60's and 70's). But I want to feel that big thumper and the price is very reasonable for a used bike. I plan on modifying the savage in such a way that it will be between a roadster and a cafe. I know the frame is not an ideal start but I'll go from there.

I do have a lot of questions but for the time being, I'll ask only one that will help me in selecting a model .

Should I go 4 or 5 speeds?
Is it possible to drop a 5 speed gear cluster in a 4 speed motor?
Any one can tell me the speed by 1000rpm for each gearbox?
What's the rpm's at 60mph?

Well I guess that's 4 questions!  Undecided
By for now.
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Reply #1 - 09/12/08 at 16:10:26
 
I like the 5-speed.  Note that the 4-speeds were only on the first few years' models.  That said, there's not a lot of difference between 4th and 5th gear in the5-speed and I could see how the 4-speed would be just peachy. Seems like there were other issues on some of those early models though too (search for "stop the backlash").  I don't think it's a simple thing to try to mate up a 4-speed gearbox with the engine from a 5-speed (or the reverse).  I think the speed/RPM info is in a post in the Tech Ref forum but I'm not positive.
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Reply #2 - 09/12/08 at 16:20:42
 
While it usually is dependent on money available, I definately recommend newer 5 speed vs 4 speed (older). Like me and the other grey haired fools, metal wears with age so for the $1,000. diff between a decade of the savage /ls40 model, get the newest you can afford.
Opinion = prepare flamethrowers.. Don't know about the rpms, actually I no longer care what rpm I am at, i ride a little bit of throttle over lugging, giving me lots of reserve.  I think Tachs are important for bikes with a 500-1500 rpm sweetspot, where you try to stay "in the groove" for maximum control(my old RD350 for example), but it counterproductive on the Savage.
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Reply #3 - 09/12/08 at 16:25:52
 
Back in march Hutch was working on gearing and posted some rpm listings..if you search by name and rpm, give it i year..it'll come up.  ^Then you might be able to pm him for more info..although he unfortuneately hasn't been on the site recently.
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Reply #4 - 09/12/08 at 16:28:47
 
"Motorcycle Cruiser" magazine says, "RPM at 60 mph, top gear: 3940".
 Depends on tire size, mine is about 3800rpm with a 140/90-15.  Top speed around 90mph.  Around 1/4 mile 16sec.
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Reply #5 - 09/12/08 at 16:41:14
 
My preference is the 5 speed but not for the gear box.  Older models have a problem with the starter motor.

Redline is 6500, 5500 will have you doing 84, 4400 is 75.
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Reply #6 - 09/13/08 at 04:16:43
 
Guys, thanks for the info on rpm but I was looking at the difference between a 4speeds and a 5speeds cruising at 60mph. I want to find out if the 5th is really an overdrive.

As to placing a 5speed tranny in the 4speed crankcase, well from the parts fiches, 86 and 95 has the same crankcase set part number . So if the crankcase didn't change, it should be a simple case of dropping the 5speed clusters in with the shift drum and forks.

From 86 to 95 they are listing the same 2 different crankcase sets. I wonder what the difference is between them?
In 1996 and later they are still listing a crankcase set from 1986 but came out with a new number for the second set? Anyone knows the difference?

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Reply #7 - 09/13/08 at 04:39:53
 
when i asked about the rpm drop before, someone who owns both types 4/5 speeds said it was only a 200 rpm drop.
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Reply #8 - 09/13/08 at 05:07:02
 
The differenc between the trannies are very little.   Mainly more gear to play with.  A handy thing when driving thru town.  The Final output ratio are very close.

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