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So what IS IT about this seat?
05/10/08 at 06:44:56
 
I know the seat hurts.  I've lifted the front of it, and quite frankly didn't notice much improvement.  It seems like my tailbone and my 'taint are always aching after half an hour.  What I don't know, specifically, is why.  I haven't sat on enough other seats to compare them and say "Oh, this one is two inches wider, or that one is flatter, or longer, or thinner, or whatever."

I have this idea to build a seat for my bike, but it is going to take a lot of time.  I'd hate to waste the time by starting with a faulty design.  So, I'm asking for everyone's input.  COMPARED TO THE STOCK SEAT, what would the perfect seat be for this bike?  I want it to look good, so I've already ruled out bolting my LazyBoy to the top.  

Wider? How Much?  Turned up or down around the edges?  Flatter on the back must be part of it, I think.  I need to slide back a little and the hump is in the way.

And I've read about the conversions to Harley seats, et. al.  Part of my reason for doing this is that I think it will be interesting to make it myself, so I want to try that first.  

If anyone has isolated the reason for the saddle sores, please let me know.  Thanks-

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Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Reply #1 - 05/10/08 at 07:53:30
 
I watched American Thunder the other night and there was a spot where they were inside Harley's R&D department. They showed how they went about designing their seats using a highly sophisticated computer setup attached to a thermal seat pan. When their volunteers of all sizes and shapes would sit on the bike seat the computer screen would render colours indicating where a riders hot and cold spots were - butt and tailbone meets seat. Red: was not good as it represented bone contact. Blue was good and comfortable. Point of the exercise was to eliminate as much and as many of the red zones as possible to come up with a universal fitting seat. I guess that's why I have never sat on an uncomfortable Sportster size HD seat (I'm not a physically big guy).

If you want to do it yourself than the old trial and error method is all you have unless. As a group we could exert some pressure on an aftermarket company like Corbin to design and build us a couple of versions. They will consider it if there is enough interest but the Savage community has to let them know.

Take alook here: http://www.alphagalileo.org/index.cfm?_rss=1&fuseaction=readrelease&releaseid...

The other thing I would look at before the seat is the suspension. In my opinion a pair of Progressive Susupension shocks can make a world of difference in how comfortable the seat feels.
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Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Reply #2 - 05/10/08 at 07:55:13
 
Are you quite tall?

If you feel you need to slide back further but the "hump" stops you, you might want to look at putting forward controls on.

I'm a shorty (5'6") and I had the opposite problem to you - I felt I was sliding forward too much and was liable to bang my bits into the tank! The seat lift (1'5") solved that one and I now find the seat ok.

Have you tried sitting on the seat and putting your feet/hands where they would feel right and see where they end up? Maybe you just need to move your bars/foot controls. Easier than doing a seat conversion.



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Reply #3 - 05/10/08 at 08:09:29
 
  Is the 250 seat wider or better than yours if so is there any way one of  those  would fit on s40
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Reply #4 - 05/10/08 at 08:16:38
 
I'm about 6'-3".  Probably 6'-4" in the boots I generally wear when riding.  I've thought about forward controls, and will probably put some on eventually.  But, as a wise man once said: "A million here, a million there, and pretty soon you are talking about real money."  All these little projects are going to eat me alive.  I love this bike, and I can live with the pain in the butt for awhile if I need to.  I just thought it would be interesting to design and build a seat that is more comfortable, and save a buck in the process.

As for the bone contact:  that should have been obvious to me, but wasn't.  I guess my boney butt matches the bone in my head.  That's exactly what I'm looking for:  the mechanics of why the seat is uncomfortable.  I'll have to sit on the thing and ponder some more with that in mind.  

Thanks folks.  Keep the opinions coming.
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Reply #5 - 05/10/08 at 08:30:01
 
The 250 does feel a little better sitting in the driveway, but the geometry is different, so it's hard to make a true comparison.  It is a little wider and a little flatter.  I'm thinking maybe the front of the seat is too narrow, and is leaving too much of my leg hanging out in space.  Also, it just seems that the distance between the front of the seat and the back is too short, regardless of how far I stretch my legs out.  When my tailbone is against the hump, my front bone is against the upsweep near the tank.  Hmmm... is it possible to have too long of a butt?  Is there surgery for that?  Perhaps a glutectomy?
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Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Reply #6 - 05/10/08 at 09:32:18
 
Sandy - I haven't used a 'gel' pad yet but plan on getting one this summer. Many riders swear by them. See the following website for info - 3rd item down.

http://www.metricthunder.com/mt/product_news/index.html
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Reply #7 - 05/10/08 at 10:24:15
 
I opted for the pillow-top gel seat from Suzuki.  It's an improvement, but still far from perfect.  Some of it is just the cruiser ergos -- you are sitting back in a bit of a "tough-guy" slouch on this bike.  Accept it, and try to jiggle around so there's more pressure on your butt cheeks and less on  the tailbone.  

Also, as a rule of thumb, you want your body weight supported by the backs of the leg bones, the hip bones and the butt cheeks.  

You DO NOT want support along the midline.  Doing so produces pressure on the pudendal nerve, which can result in tingling and numbness in places we generally don't want to go numb.  (OK, the folks at Vibe-Rider feel that a little tingling can be a good thing --- http://www.viberider.com/ --- but it does have an off switch for a reason!)

Avoiding midline pressure is why bicycle seats are going to the split design, aka "Viagra saddles".
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Reply #8 - 05/10/08 at 13:26:59
 
Haven't seen the split seats you're talking about, but the description you give brings a toilet seat to mind.  Is that the basic premise?  Hollow in the middle, firm around the edges?  If I mount a padded toilet seat to the bike, I'll fit right in at the next "Cabin Fever Days" festival up in the canyon. Grin
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Re: So what IS IT about this seat?
Reply #9 - 05/10/08 at 19:36:35
 
Just a few thoughts....

A saddle type seat is lots more comfortable(to me)! I sat on one one time and thought omg...this is THE perfect seat.It seems to sit you in the proper sitting position.Relieve bad seating position.

Wider would be nice! I feel much better/more comfortable on wider seats.

It does all depend on seating position. Are your knees above your lap....if so,bad seating...will hurt!! Need to solve that problem whether it be forward controls or higher seat,etc.Knees higher put pressure on the wrong tailbone places=very uncomfortable.

Corbin seat may be perfect....just hear alot of good things about them.No actual experience though.

More people than the Savage owners complain of their seat and are continuously trying to find/make the perfert seat.Again,sometimes its overall seating position.

I felt when I went around and sat on many,manydifferent bikes/different seats that I got a better idea of what would be the best seat....and tried going from there on getting/making/coming up with one.It definitely helps to sit on different type MC seats.To get a better idea of what you want/need.

Too much info?....ok  Undecided
I also read alot on the net about ppl's opinions of different solutions Smiley
It may be different solutions for different ppl.Hope you can come up with the one for you!
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Reply #10 - 05/10/08 at 19:44:55
 
 Being people here have used sportster seats there a real nice  seat at Dennis Kirk it $310 but is nice and wide go there and type parts number 455003,pretty too
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Reply #11 - 05/10/08 at 20:21:18
 
bill67 wrote on 05/10/08 at 19:44:55:
 Being people here have used sportster seats there a real nice  seat at Dennis Kirk it $310 but is nice and wide go there and type parts number 455003,pretty too


Some people get them from ebay=cheaper Wink
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Reply #12 - 05/10/08 at 20:23:50
 
  Not like this seat.
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Reply #13 - 05/10/08 at 20:32:16
 
Since putting on the forward controls I do find the seat more comfortable.   If you sit on the back of the stock seat it is going to be uncomfortable.  The forward controls allow you to sit on the front of the seat where it is flatter.  The problem there is that the seat in pretty narrow at that point.  But it is more comfortable than the back of the seat is.
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Reply #14 - 05/10/08 at 20:36:01
 
WAAAAAAAAAAAAYYY beyond my budget.  Like I said, it don't hurt that much.  For $310 dollars, I can get a complete rear-end rebuild at the proctologist.  Hopefully, it won't come to that. Shocked
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