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Reply #15 - 05/19/08 at 12:58:31

Max_Morley wrote on 05/19/08 at 10:09:35:

Greg how do you like the new cam? Max

I like the improved mid range with the cam. It feels like it is breathing a bunch better. It's a little hard to tell, since I carved out the exhaust port and installed an OS piston, but I'm pleased with what I have now.

Stinger said about the same thing about his...but I still gotta go readjust his noisy valves(...since I cautiously set them loose when I installed the new cam...)

Did I mention? Yesterday, I accidentally dumped the clutch and grabbed too much throttle when I was leaving a store, and the darned back tire broke loose on dry pavement. When that happens while you are leaning over on the left, it is nothing short of inspirational Tongue

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Re: racing cam
Reply #16 - 05/19/08 at 13:33:51

Savage_Greg wrote on 05/19/08 at 12:58:31:

Did I mention? Yesterday, I accidentally dumped the clutch and grabbed too much throttle when I was leaving a store, and the darned back tire broke loose on dry pavement. When that happens while you are leaning over on the left, it is nothing short of inspirational Tongue

Oooo, I hate when that happens, especially to a little thumper. Grin

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Reply #17 - 05/19/08 at 14:32:24

The '02 with the new cam and near open 'trap is certainly a stronger running engine - I may be running the rpms up to far - need to move the tach from the '95 or just get another

I'm on my 3rd valve adjustment and they still get pretty loud after the engine is hot - might have something else not quite correct - may pull the head and case cover check over things - might have let the cam chain get too tight or let the cover sealant dry too much before it was torqued down

Did you folks find a need to change the mixture/jet either direction ?

I have not done so

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Reply #18 - 05/19/08 at 15:39:57

Reelthing wrote on 05/19/08 at 14:32:24:

The '02 with the new cam and near open 'trap is certainly a stronger running engine - I may be running the rpms up to far - need to move the tach from the '95 or just get another

I'm on my 3rd valve adjustment and they still get pretty loud after the engine is hot - might have something else not quite correct - may pull the head and case cover check over things - might have let the cam chain get too tight or let the cover sealant dry too much before it was torqued down

Did you folks find a need to change the mixture/jet either direction ?

I have not done so

Funny that you ask that...mine isn't quite right anymore either. The idle speed drops a little below idle when suddenly closing the throttle and idle speed seems either too high or too low. Last weekend, I had too much fun and just put up with the annoyance, but I do need to take a peek at things Tongue

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Reply #19 - 05/19/08 at 15:41:06

verslagen1 wrote on 05/19/08 at 13:33:51:

Savage_Greg wrote on 05/19/08 at 12:58:31:

Did I mention? Yesterday, I accidentally dumped the clutch and grabbed too much throttle when I was leaving a store, and the darned back tire broke loose on dry pavement. When that happens while you are leaning over on the left, it is nothing short of inspirational Tongue

Oooo, I hate when that happens, especially to a little thumper. Grin

It was a RUSH! Tongue

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Reply #20 - 05/19/08 at 21:07:19

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Yesterday, I accidentally dumped the clutch and grabbed too much throttle when I was leaving a store, and the darned back tire broke loose on dry pavement. When that happens while you are leaning over on the left, it is nothing short of inspirational Tongue

After an incident like that all it takes is a short stop at Sluggo's dumpster and things just calm right down...it is amazing how that works Cheesy

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Reply #23 - 05/20/08 at 06:54:34

LANCER wrote on 05/19/08 at 21:07:19:

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Yesterday, I accidentally dumped the clutch and grabbed too much throttle when I was leaving a store, and the darned back tire broke loose on dry pavement. When that happens while you are leaning over on the left, it is nothing short of inspirational Tongue

After an incident like that all it takes is a short stop at Sluggo's dumpster and things just calm right down...it is amazing how that works Cheesy

It's funny how those dumpsters do that Tongue

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Reply #24 - 05/21/08 at 01:14:10

I hope they have a dumpster at the FSSNNC get together in Montana this June. Even a ride thru Glacier National park is a bummer without a good dumspter visit or two! I often plan my trips from dumpster to dumpster!
On to Lancers cam!....Was it worth the money invested for the difference in performance? I think so, Im glad I bought it! Not only did I get a very professional looking cam back I also got 50 lbs of free packing peanuts(enough to make a pillow) that it was wrapped in! If Lancers mechanical ability is half of what is packaging skills are, this guy has a future! Took me a half hour to find the cam! Much more pull in the mid range now! Crank open the throttle and there is no lag, just solid acceration all the way into 5th gear. Where I noticed the biggest difference was when I hit the throttle at 70 mph. It just got up and took off! I was going 85 in nothing flat. The cam does run smooth, altho you will notice a small difference from the stock cam. My bike even sounds healthier to me now, deeper and throatier. Matches up pretty well with my supertrapp. I havent enough miles on it yet to figure out how it has effected my gas milage, but I cant imagine it would be much. Someone else in here compared the difference in performance between running a stock cam and Lancers cam. he felt the difference was comparable to that of riding a stock savage to riding one that has been rejetted and a aftermarket muffler installed. I agree! Im glad I bought it! Thanks Lancer!
(by the way, these packing peanuts taste like crap!)

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Reply #25 - 05/21/08 at 07:04:16

stinger wrote on 05/21/08 at 01:14:10:

I hope they have a dumpster at the FSSNNC get together in Montana this June. Even a ride thru Glacier National park is a bummer without a good dumspter visit or two! I often plan my trips from dumpster to dumpster!
On to Lancers cam!....Was it worth the money invested for the difference in performance? I think so, Im glad I bought it! Not only did I get a very professional looking cam back I also got 50 lbs of free packing peanuts(enough to make a pillow) that it was wrapped in! If Lancers mechanical ability is half of what is packaging skills are, this guy has a future! Took me a half hour to find the cam! Much more pull in the mid range now! Crank open the throttle and there is no lag, just solid acceration all the way into 5th gear. Where I noticed the biggest difference was when I hit the throttle at 70 mph. It just got up and took off! I was going 85 in nothing flat. The cam does run smooth, altho you will notice a small difference from the stock cam. My bike even sounds healthier to me now, deeper and throatier. Matches up pretty well with my supertrapp. I havent enough miles on it yet to figure out how it has effected my gas milage, but I cant imagine it would be much. Someone else in here compared the difference in performance between running a stock cam and Lancers cam. he felt the difference was comparable to that of riding a stock savage to riding one that has been rejetted and a aftermarket muffler installed. I agree! Im glad I bought it! Thanks Lancer!
(by the way, these packing peanuts taste like crap!)

I'm thinking that someone was just out by the dumpster before logging into the forum...

...after all, you should know that you ONLY eat the pink peanuts!

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Re: racing cam
Reply #26 - 05/21/08 at 09:39:22

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On to Lancers cam!... Much more pull in the mid range now! Crank open the throttle and there is no lag, just solid acceration all the way into 5th gear. Where I noticed the biggest difference was when I hit the throttle at 70 mph. It just got up and took off! I was going 85 in nothing flat. The cam does run smooth, although you will notice a small difference from the stock cam. My bike even sounds healthier to me now, deeper and throatier. Matches up pretty well with my supertrapp.
I'm glad I bought it! Thanks Lancer!
(by the way, these packing peanuts taste like crap!)

Ohhhh, it's like a proud papa watching his son ... or sweet music to my ears Cheesy

I appreciate the good report. The Savage responds so well to the assorted upgrades, especially the Performance Camshaft. Not only does it sound healthier & feel healthier but it just makes a fun bike MORE FUN !

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Re: racing cam
Reply #27 - 05/21/08 at 14:47:51

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/19/08 at 22:02:53:

The valves should be quieter when the engine is hot, since the gap is diminished with the longer valve stems.

Alright! this could be as much fun as a motor oil or octane debate!

On a valve train like this one the gap widens as it gets hotter - the valve expands enough that it will no longer go into the seat as far this causes the gap to expand

On valve trains with push rods and solid lifters the gap shrinks as it gets hotter as the push rod lengthens enough to over ride any valve stem heigth reduction

Hey honestly pop'd a wheelie on the '02 yesterday leaving a stop sign

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Reply #28 - 05/21/08 at 23:51:22

On a valve train like this one the gap widens as it gets hotter - the valve expands enough that it will no longer go into the seat as far this causes the gap to expand

Wowzaas! I had never considered the valve face diameter increasing due to the same heat that causes the valve stem to get longer. I can see how that could happen.

SO!!! If & since the gap increases when its hot, then why not have even LESS valve lash? Why not set them at .001? Would it hurt anything?

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Reply #29 - 05/22/08 at 06:41:05

Reelthing wrote on 05/21/08 at 14:47:51:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/19/08 at 22:02:53:

The valves should be quieter when the engine is hot, since the gap is diminished with the longer valve stems.

Alright! this could be as much fun as a motor oil or octane debate!

On a valve train like this one the gap widens as it gets hotter - the valve expands enough that it will no longer go into the seat as far this causes the gap to expand

On valve trains with push rods and solid lifters the gap shrinks as it gets hotter as the push rod lengthens enough to over ride any valve stem heigth reduction

Hey honestly pop'd a wheelie on the '02 yesterday leaving a stop sign

Oh, but let's remember that the rocker arms get longer, the adjuster screws get longer, the camshaft gets fatter, the head gets bigger, the cylinder gets longer, the cam chain gets looser, the primary gears get fatter, the crankshaft grows bigger and the connecting rods become longer....plus the cases get wider, the drive pulleys get bigger and the drive belt gets longer...and eventually the whole bike is huge...

...that explains why you were able to pop a wheelie too Tongue

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