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Reply #15 - 02/26/08 at 07:31:19
 
Thanks Savage_Rob, I needed that. Even the auto parts store guys couldn't answer my questions.
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Reply #16 - 02/26/08 at 10:56:03
 
This oil and filter change I've gone for Motul's 100% synthese 300V Factory line 15W50. It says on the bottle "double ester", does anybody know what this means? (I think it means good).

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Reply #17 - 02/26/08 at 12:18:54
 
klx650sm2002 wrote on 02/26/08 at 10:56:03:
This oil and filter change I've gone for Motul's 100% synthese 300V Factory line 15W50. It says on the bottle "double ester", does anybody know what this means? (I think it means good).

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I've been considering trying Motorex Power SYNT 4T 10w60.  It's a Swiss-made full synthetic that says it's suitable for wet-clutch applications.  To my thinking, a full synthetic that flows like a 10w at startup and then retains greater viscosity at operating temps is better.  I was thinking either of that or Redline's 20w60 full synthetic.  Still, Mobil1 20w50 full synthetic is noticeably less costly than either of those.  If I was relatively sure it gave me suitable protection in 100+ degree weather in the summer, I'd stick with it.  Most of the ratings Mobil1 got in independent tests look like it's really good stuff.  I'm doing more reading.
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Reply #18 - 02/26/08 at 12:30:10
 
klx650sm2002 wrote on 02/26/08 at 10:56:03:
This oil and filter change I've gone for Motul's 100% synthese 300V Factory line 15W50. It says on the bottle "double ester", does anybody know what this means? (I think it means good).

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I'm not sure what "double ester" means but I know that ester refers to the type of base oil that is used. Not very many oils use it (only Motul and Elf as far as I know) but it supposedly has very good cleaning properties. Maybe "double ester" means it uses twice the amount of ester base oil as their synthetic blend. That's just a guess though.
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Reply #19 - 02/26/08 at 13:00:36
 
It might also mean they use multiple types of esters.  Check this out.  Pretty good reading - at least to me.

http://www.scooterhelp.com/genmaintain/crankcase.oil.html
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Reply #20 - 02/26/08 at 13:24:41
 
klx650sm2002 wrote on 02/26/08 at 10:56:03:
This oil and filter change I've gone for Motul's 100% synthese 300V Factory line 15W50. It says on the bottle "double ester", does anybody know what this means? (I think it means good).

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This is one of the oils in the independent tests commissioned by AMSOIL.  It had mixed results.  Some great, some not so great.
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Reply #21 - 02/26/08 at 16:19:41
 
Soon wrote on 02/25/08 at 18:31:09:
Has any one heard of Amsoil 10w-40 for motorcycles?


Yes!  That's all I run.  In independent tests, Amsoil 10-40 m/c oil beat every other m/c oil overall.  That and Amsoil 20-50 m/c oil are at the absolute top of the heap.  Mobil 1 20-50 ran a close second, and Mobil 1 10-40 wasn't even close!  If you want to see the actual test results, PM me, and I'll email...
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Reply #22 - 02/26/08 at 16:24:13
 
Oh, I see Savage Rob already included the link.  That's the same test I would email you.  Look carefully thru that, then make your decision.  If you've got questions about specific test parameters, I may be able to answer...
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Reply #23 - 02/26/08 at 16:36:47
 
So with the amsoil can you go longer with it, like you can with mobil 1 10w-40? between oil changes, If I had no chance to change my oil?  I the mean time I will go and read the report on Amsoil.
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Reply #24 - 02/26/08 at 16:58:21
 
I just use Quaker State 10W40 and have no problems what so ever.
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Reply #25 - 02/26/08 at 17:05:39
 
I used some oil, and changed it, no problems. I used some other oil, changed it no problems. Then one time I use some.... oil, then changed it, no problems. I think I'm gona keep useing oil, although oil is better than oil, I'll stick with oil cause its worked so far. I heard of a brother of a cousins father who used oil for many years with no problems, and he would swear by that oil. I read of an independent test of oil against oil, and maybe some oil, of course the oil was better. I knew one fella who used oil instead of oil, and did'nt change it often enough, because he thought oil was better than oil, that thing sure used a lot of oil after a while. There is this reading material that comes with vehicles, that says oil is good, and no oil is bad, and they also have a service chart in most of them, which most ppl just disregard, because oil is so good. The British took over India for.........cotton. Cotton is good.


Does anyone know if a manufacturer will void engine warranty if recomended oil change intervals were grossly exceeded? Will these oil manufacturers stand behind your engine operating outside of recomended service with thier product? Do syntheic oils claim longer change intervals to offset the cost? Jello is goooooood.(I think banana would work well)

I probally should use 10-40 during the winter, the 20-50 i think is only remomended down to 30*, no, the manual says its ok down to 14*F. Whew, that was a close one, now I can sleep.
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Reply #26 - 02/26/08 at 17:19:28
 
Onederer wrote on 02/26/08 at 17:05:39:
I used some oil, and changed it, no problems. I used some other oil, changed it no problems. Then one time I use some.... oil, then changed it, no problems. I think I'm gona keep useing oil, although oil is better than oil, I'll stick with oil cause its worked so far. I heard of a brother of a cousins father who used oil for many years with no problems, and he would swear by that oil. I read of an independent test of oil against oil, and maybe some oil, of course the oil was better. I knew one fella who used oil instead of oil, and did'nt change it often enough, because he thought oil was better than oil, that thing sure used a lot of oil after a while. There is this reading material that comes with vehicles, that says oil is good, and no oil is bad, and they also have a service chart in most of them, which most ppl just disregard, because oil is so good. The British took over India for.........cotton. Cotton is good.


Does anyone know if a manufacturer will void engine warranty if recomended oil change intervals were grossly exceeded? Will these oil manufacturers stand behind your engine operating outside of recomended service with thier product? Do syntheic oils claim longer change intervals to offset the cost? Jello is goooooood.(I think banana would work well)

I probally should use 10-40 during the winter, the 20-50 i think is only remomended down to 30*, no, the manual says its ok down to 14*F. Whew, that was a close one, now I can sleep.



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Reply #27 - 02/26/08 at 17:28:23
 
running amsoil 10/40 in my 06 since 1st change over 8k now summer get some 100f days winter(this)couple of zeros...i only ride above 40f
(black ice)but start er up every 14 days or so...change oil as prescribed in om..our local suzuki dealer started carring amsoil last year..
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Reply #28 - 02/26/08 at 17:41:12
 
I'm not being a help at all with the Amsoil thing at all. Bad bad member, third member, I should put myself in da closet with da rabid beaver.

I think Mobil is setting themselves up for a law suit with the Rover comercials. I glad I use Mobil, I feel good knowing I'll be helping pay for that. Is there a very very quick and small disclaimer at the end of the Mobil comercial? I think I'll buy a new vehicle and change the oil every 25,000? miles with Mobil, and when the dealerships says the failure is my fault I'll say, NO, its Mobil's. A settlement will follow, and many happy(paid for) years of riding. I USE MOBIL, I also use several other brands of oil in various machines, and have had no oil related failures. That my independent test.

How about a bottled water debate? If the water debate is'nt as strong as the oil debate, does that mean ppl care more about what they put in thier machines, than in themselves? I accidentaly tasted some penzoil 10-30 once, and wonder if 10-40 taste different.
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Reply #29 - 02/26/08 at 17:56:15
 
I'll tell you oil or oil taste the same, yucky! Shocked I tasted it by accdent, spashed up at me while depositing in in the oil bine at the recycle center. Tongue

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