KwakNut wrote on 02/04/08 at 08:20:22:....Slow compared to what?
Well, how's about you show me the list of bikes over 600cc that will only make a top speed of 79mph....
The Savage is not in that list. YOU made the claim. YOU back it up. Slow compared with what?
Quote:Underpowered. Do I really have to explain that 30hp (or maybe its as as bad as 27) from a 650cc lump is low? Do I really need tob list 450, 400, 350 and even 250cc singles that make more power?
Yes you do. Also explain why 30 hp in a 354 pound bike is underpowered. Again, you have made the extrodinary claim, you need to support this claim.
Quote:I can overtake cars more safely on my single cylinder 400cc off-roader than I can on a Savage.
You claim to be incompentent. Fine. That does not mean the Savage is underpowered.
Quote:Handling. I didn’t say it handles like a school bus – check my post again. I may have said it handles like a crock. It does.
Define "crock". Does "crock" mean "remarkably well"?
Quote: Anybody who thinks a bike with that kind of steering head angle handles needs to learn what it’s like to ride a bike with more practical steering geometry.
The claim is not that the Savage hendles like a sport bike. Your claim is that the Savage handles like a crock, whatever the hell that means. You need to back up your claims.
Quote:Hey, why not even admit that the world is round and try riding a sports bike on occasion – you’d not be saying the Savage handles much longer. No custom bike with long forks handles well – they just can’t.
Since I know, from personal experience on the twisties, that the Savage DOES handle well the only crock around here is the crock you are dipping out of.
Quote:....For heavens’ sake. Don’t be so defensive. The Savage is a great little bike, but I’ll repeat what I said before. It has too little power, poor brakes, poor handling and a few design quirks.
Repeating the same unsubstantiated bogus claims does not make them true. You claim "too little power" -- back that claim up in the face of those who know from personal experience that the Savage has more than sufficient power. Poor Brakes? Substantiate that -- how many Savages have over run their brakes and smashed into things versus, percentagewise, the sport bike of your choice. Poor handling? Are you calling me a liar when I state that I was not passed by any sport bikes on two of the favored sport bike roads here in SoCal? Explain how the bike can have POOR handling when it performs so well in the twisties. Design quirks? What are you talking about? What is your hangup with the Savage?
Quote:If some people think it handles well, and think it has plenty of power, well good for them, I just don't agree with them. ....
Obviously. But you are not stating that you merely disagree. You are claiming that the Savage is pitifully underpowered, handles poorly, can't stop, etc.. You are claiming that as being factual and not just the misinformed opinion of a biased nut.