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Re: Fork Brace: is it necessary?
Reply #30 - 12/26/07 at 14:26:51

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/25/07 at 10:45:41:

barry68v10 wrote on 12/25/07 at 08:14:56:

I don't ride very aggressively...a peg scrape here and there...and the Tkat forkbrace totally changed the way my bike behaves. Much more solid feel.

Sure that it wasn't the 90W fork oil?

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90W? 90W is for woosies with soft backsides! Wanna be a real man?!? Go with bearing grease! Cheesy

Actually, I put the fork brace on long before I changed the fork oil...

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Reply #31 - 12/26/07 at 14:29:20

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/26/07 at 06:56:11:

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/26/07 at 06:30:51:

As already stated, it is not needed. I have one on mine and I am very happy with the difference it makes in the bike's handling. If I had another LS650 I would purchase a fork brace for it also.

Like I said, on dirt bikes, it made a difference, but on the Savage40 I still wonder...let me toss out this idea from the Devil's Advocate...

How would one know if the perceived benefit was more psychological than physical? Could it be possible that some riders install the brace while they are still in their learning curve? Then as they gain more riding skill it might be easy to attribute their success to the brace...

Just a thought Roll Eyes

Unfortunately, I'm in the flat part of the learning curve Wink

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Re: Fork Brace: is it necessary?
Reply #32 - 12/27/07 at 03:42:48

barry68v10 wrote on 12/26/07 at 14:29:20:

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/26/07 at 06:56:11:

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/26/07 at 06:30:51:

As already stated, it is not needed. I have one on mine and I am very happy with the difference it makes in the bike's handling. If I had another LS650 I would purchase a fork brace for it also.

Like I said, on dirt bikes, it made a difference, but on the Savage40 I still wonder...let me toss out this idea from the Devil's Advocate...

How would one know if the perceived benefit was more psychological than physical? Could it be possible that some riders install the brace while they are still in their learning curve? Then as they gain more riding skill it might be easy to attribute their success to the brace...

Just a thought Roll Eyes

Unfortunately, I'm in the flat part of the learning curve Wink

Kinda like the dangle part in the middle of the Bell, eh?

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Re: Fork Brace: is it necessary?
Reply #33 - 12/27/07 at 14:29:46

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/26/07 at 06:56:11:

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/26/07 at 06:30:51:

As already stated, it is not needed. I have one on mine and I am very happy with the difference it makes in the bike's handling. If I had another LS650 I would purchase a fork brace for it also.

Like I said, on dirt bikes, it made a difference, but on the Savage40 I still wonder...let me toss out this idea from the Devil's Advocate...

How would one know if the perceived benefit was more psychological than physical? Could it be possible that some riders install the brace while they are still in their learning curve? Then as they gain more riding skill it might be easy to attribute their success to the brace...

Just a thought Roll Eyes

After I'd had the brace for a while I began to wonder whether I would notice much difference if I were to remove it. I took it off and rode for a week without it. I promptly put it back on. I most definitely notice a difference - especially on uneven road surfaces and rain grooves, etc.

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Re: Fork Brace: is it necessary?
Reply #35 - 12/27/07 at 19:28:12

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/27/07 at 14:29:46:

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/26/07 at 06:56:11:

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/26/07 at 06:30:51:

As already stated, it is not needed. I have one on mine and I am very happy with the difference it makes in the bike's handling. If I had another LS650 I would purchase a fork brace for it also.

Like I said, on dirt bikes, it made a difference, but on the Savage40 I still wonder...let me toss out this idea from the Devil's Advocate...

How would one know if the perceived benefit was more psychological than physical? Could it be possible that some riders install the brace while they are still in their learning curve? Then as they gain more riding skill it might be easy to attribute their success to the brace...

Just a thought Roll Eyes

After I'd had the brace for a while I began to wonder whether I would notice much difference if I were to remove it. I took it off and rode for a week without it. I promptly put it back on. I most definitely notice a difference - especially on uneven road surfaces and rain grooves, etc.

now that's the answere we were looking for. thanks

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Re: Fork Brace: is it necessary?
Reply #36 - 12/28/07 at 06:35:59

sluggo wrote on 12/27/07 at 19:28:12:

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/27/07 at 14:29:46:

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/26/07 at 06:56:11:

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/26/07 at 06:30:51:

As already stated, it is not needed. I have one on mine and I am very happy with the difference it makes in the bike's handling. If I had another LS650 I would purchase a fork brace for it also.

Like I said, on dirt bikes, it made a difference, but on the Savage40 I still wonder...let me toss out this idea from the Devil's Advocate...

How would one know if the perceived benefit was more psychological than physical? Could it be possible that some riders install the brace while they are still in their learning curve? Then as they gain more riding skill it might be easy to attribute their success to the brace...

Just a thought Roll Eyes

After I'd had the brace for a while I began to wonder whether I would notice much difference if I were to remove it. I took it off and rode for a week without it. I promptly put it back on. I most definitely notice a difference - especially on uneven road surfaces and rain grooves, etc.

now that's the answere we were looking for. thanks

Is it?

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Reply #38 - 12/28/07 at 16:03:02

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/28/07 at 06:35:59:

sluggo wrote on 12/27/07 at 19:28:12:

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/27/07 at 14:29:46:

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/26/07 at 06:56:11:

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/26/07 at 06:30:51:

As already stated, it is not needed. I have one on mine and I am very happy with the difference it makes in the bike's handling. If I had another LS650 I would purchase a fork brace for it also.

Like I said, on dirt bikes, it made a difference, but on the Savage40 I still wonder...let me toss out this idea from the Devil's Advocate...

How would one know if the perceived benefit was more psychological than physical? Could it be possible that some riders install the brace while they are still in their learning curve? Then as they gain more riding skill it might be easy to attribute their success to the brace...

Just a thought Roll Eyes

After I'd had the brace for a while I began to wonder whether I would notice much difference if I were to remove it. I took it off and rode for a week without it. I promptly put it back on. I most definitely notice a difference - especially on uneven road surfaces and rain grooves, etc.

now that's the answere we were looking for. thanks

Is it?

Alright Greg, we're gonna need you to waffle on this one! Grin

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Re: Fork Brace: is it necessary?
Reply #39 - 12/29/07 at 06:18:12

Holodeck wrote on 12/28/07 at 14:46:40:

Greg,
If we get together for the road trip we were talking about at the motorcycle show let's trade bikes for a while and you can see how you like the ride with a brace on the forks.

Sure, and you can experience the sound of a Raask and the overall feel of a lean mean thumpin' machine Cool

...ah, er, yep. We can do that. Tongue

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Re: Fork Brace: is it necessary?
Reply #40 - 12/29/07 at 06:34:34

barry68v10 wrote on 12/28/07 at 16:03:02:

Alright Greg, we're gonna need you to waffle on this one! Grin

"To waffle?" Been so long since I have heard or read that term, I had to look it up...and as I always recommend, I found the appropriate manual Tongue

From Merriam-Webster online:
1: equivocate vacillate <waffled on the important issues>; also : yo-yo flip-flop
2: to talk or write foolishly : blather <can waffle…tiresomely off the point — Times Literary Supplement>

Okay. Now I'm back on the same page...

I don't think that I have been "waffling". More of a Devil's Advocate or a "Point/Counterpoint" thing. When did I "waffle", as in "flip-flop"? When did I "waffle", as in "off the point"? I don't think I have, because my opinion still hasn't changed.

As I suggested, I just wonder how many people perceive rather than experience a benefit from a fork brace. To me, I wonder if a placebo would be handy in this test. One that would give the rider the perception of better handling, while not doing a darned thing Tongue

Of course, it could be that my riding skills are just far better than all of you, because I've never thought that I needed a fork brace Cool

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Re: Fork Brace: is it necessary?
Reply #41 - 12/29/07 at 07:26:59

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/29/07 at 06:34:34:

....As I suggested, I just wonder how many people perceive rather than experience a benefit from a fork brace. To me, I wonder if a placebo would be handy in this test. One that would give the rider the perception of better handling, while not doing a darned thing Tongue

Of course, it could be that my riding skills are just far better than all of you, because I've never thought that I needed a fork brace Cool

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m-w.com:
Main Entry: perceive:
1 a: to attain awareness or understanding of b: to regard as being such
2: to become aware of through the senses;
Main Entry: experience
transitive verb: 1 : to learn by experience
noun: 1 a: direct observation of or participation in events as a basis of knowledge
The consensus of those who have a fork brace is that there is a noticible improvement in the handling of the motorcycle. They have knowledge based upon direct observation and participation -- they have both precieved and experienced that the fork brace does work.

Whether or not this small improvement is needed would depend on whether or not you are a skilled enough rider to (1) notice the improvement and (2) use that improvement.

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Re: Fork Brace: is it necessary?
Reply #42 - 12/29/07 at 07:56:57

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/29/07 at 06:34:34:

barry68v10 wrote on 12/28/07 at 16:03:02:

Alright Greg, we're gonna need you to waffle on this one! Grin

"To waffle?" Been so long since I have heard or read that term, I had to look it up...and as I always recommend, I found the appropriate manual Tongue

From Merriam-Webster online:
1: equivocate vacillate <waffled on the important issues>; also : yo-yo flip-flop
2: to talk or write foolishly : blather <can waffle…tiresomely off the point — Times Literary Supplement>

Okay. Now I'm back on the same page...

I don't think that I have been "waffling". More of a Devil's Advocate or a "Point/Counterpoint" thing. When did I "waffle", as in "flip-flop"? When did I "waffle", as in "off the point"? I don't think I have, because my opinion still hasn't changed.

As I suggested, I just wonder how many people perceive rather than experience a benefit from a fork brace. To me, I wonder if a placebo would be handy in this test. One that would give the rider the perception of better handling, while not doing a darned thing Tongue

Of course, it could be that my riding skills are just far better than all of you, because I've never thought that I needed a fork brace Cool

PS - if you need to look up "Placebo", then go here..

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary

Maybe a quick reading/English class would help...

I didn't say you HAD waffled on this, which would be a statement of events or actions in the past. I said we would need you to, which is a reference to possible future events. Wink

In any event, you may very well be a better rider than all of us, but I notice I don't even need a fork when my bike is torn apart in my garage Tongue

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Reply #43 - 12/29/07 at 08:17:35

Well! My simple question had turned into a controversy with some people even suspecting the riding skill of others! You know, I don't recall Evel Knievel using a fork brace on his rocket-cycle when he jumped the Idaho canyon. Maybe before I shell out the $ for a brace, I'll u-bolt a piece of 2X4 across my forks and see if it makes any difference.

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