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Re: Things not sounding too good
Reply #15 - 12/09/07 at 15:43:16

I think it is gravely ill. The valve clearances seemed fine and cam chain is tight . So I have to dig into it I have it half stripped down now. This is my problem. I have a spare engine which I believe to run ok but the starter and its gears need looking at. Now do I try and fix the starter issue and put the other engine in or do I just transplant the jug, head and the piston from the spare to the one in the bike. Does anyone know if there is a gasket set for the transplant ?. I know first I will need to check the problem with the other engine. I am getting withdrawal symptoms I haven't ridden since Thursday OUCH
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Re: Things not sounding too good
Reply #16 - 12/10/07 at 04:51:50

SteveRocket1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12:

I think it is gravely ill. The valve clearances seemed fine and cam chain is tight . So I have to dig into it I have it half stripped down now. This is my problem. I have a spare engine which I believe to run ok but the starter and its gears need looking at. Now do I try and fix the starter issue and put the other engine in or do I just transplant the jug, head and the piston from the spare to the one in the bike. Does anyone know if there is a gasket set for the transplant ?. I know first I will need to check the problem with the other engine. I am getting withdrawal symptoms I haven't ridden since Thursday OUCH
Steve

Hmmm. To either transplant an engine with unknown problems or fix the running engine with unknown problems.

That is a real tough choice to make.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Things not sounding too good Reply #17 - 12/10/07 at 05:02:24 Evaluate each engine & repair the one that will fix the easiest & cheapest, using parts from each along with whatever new stuff is needed. Or, step back & throw cubic $$$ at it?
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T Mack 1 - FSO Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline sold 2001 LS650 for a 1986 XLH1100 Posts: 2919 Emmaus,Pa Gender:	Re: Things not sounding too good Reply #18 - 12/10/07 at 05:35:58 How torn down is the engine? If the question is a transplant or repair, the repair will give longest return for your labor. Was the exhaust system in good condition? A leak at the head to pipe connnection area can sound like a valve tap.
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SteveRocket1 Senior Member Offline A day without riding is like a day without beer. Posts: 441 California Gender:	Re: Things not sounding too good Reply #19 - 12/10/07 at 17:00:29 Does anyone Know what gaskets I will need to buy to change the Jug and the Piston plus the head over to the one in the bike. I am looking through the microfliches but I don't want to miss one thanks In advance Steve
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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: Things not sounding too good Reply #20 - 12/11/07 at 04:57:37 SteveRocket1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12: Does anyone Know what gaskets I will need to buy to change the Jug and the Piston plus the head over to the one in the bike. I am looking through the microfliches but I don't want to miss one thanks In advance Steve Hmmm...I just happen to know of a CD with that info on it
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SteveRocket1 Senior Member Offline A day without riding is like a day without beer. Posts: 441 California Gender:	Re: Things not sounding too good Reply #21 - 12/11/07 at 09:32:40 I must be stupid ,I have your great CD at home thanks Greg Steve
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Re: Things not sounding too good
Reply #22 - 12/11/07 at 09:37:04

SteveRocket1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12:

I must be stupid ,I have your great CD at home
thanks Greg
Steve

Wasn't calling you stupid...just teasing, 'cause you aren't the first one to forget it Tongue

Head gasket, cylinder gasket, right cover gasket, oval o-ring (maybe) and RTV sealer...

But don't you need to find the noise first?

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Max_Morley Serious Thumper Offline LT650 Luxury Touring & sidecar rig Posts: 1490 Moses Lake. WA Gender:	Re: Things not sounding too good Reply #23 - 12/11/07 at 10:08:17 Max 2nd that motion, find the source of the noise before you do lots of unnecessary work and lost 'scootin' time. Max
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Re: Things not sounding too good
Reply #24 - 12/11/07 at 10:30:15

Yes all true But Its hard to find the noise when it's not running. I am not as a competent wrench as yourselves I will take off the head cover as soon as I can I think I need to get some more tools like a micrometer to check whats worn.
I am pretty sure it's not valve clearances or cam chain so next job is get the head cover off.
How easy is it to tell if the wrist pin is too worn. Will it feel loose if I take the jug off or are very small gaps from wear able to make large noises?.
As always I apprreciate your imput and advice and loss of riding time is bad bad bad.
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Re: Things not sounding too good
Reply #25 - 12/11/07 at 11:00:02

SteveRocket1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12:

Yes all true But Its hard to find the noise when it's not running. I am not as a competent wrench as yourselves I will take off the head cover as soon as I can I think I need to get some more tools like a micrometer to check whats worn.
I am pretty sure it's not valve clearances or cam chain so next job is get the head cover off.
How easy is it to tell if the wrist pin is too worn. Will it feel loose if I take the jug off or are very small gaps from wear able to make large noises?.
As always I apprreciate your imput and advice and loss of riding time is bad bad bad.
Steve

Can't go by "feel" on the wrist pin...get the mics first. You can get a 1-3" set at Harbor Freight for around $35.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28884 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Things not sounding too good Reply #26 - 12/11/07 at 11:04:54 Try turning it over by hand like when finding TDC. And should be able to notice if the wrist or con bearings are loose by turning back and forth at various points in the stroke. luck
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SteveRocket1 Senior Member Offline A day without riding is like a day without beer. Posts: 441 California Gender:	Re: Things not sounding too good Reply #27 - 12/11/07 at 11:34:51 Did try that when I was checking the valves. I couldn't really tell .I think when I get the lid off it I may be able to tell more. As always not enough time to get things done Steve
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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: Things not sounding too good Reply #28 - 12/11/07 at 11:39:34 Maybe your doohickey, thingamabob, or whatschamacallit is loose
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