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SteveRocket1 Senior Member Offline A day without riding is like a day without beer. Posts: 441 California Gender:	Re: tpes of Oil Reply #15 - 11/13/07 at 12:41:04 I stand corrected , the clutch still slips so It was not the oil, must be the springs (I hope)
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vtail Senior Member Offline life's short, ride fast Posts: 408 Portland,OR Gender:	Re: tpes of Oil Reply #16 - 11/13/07 at 12:55:25 Just make sure the oil does NOT have the dreaded "Energy Conserving" on the round label. That tells you that there are friction modifiers in that oil.
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SteveRocket1 Senior Member Offline A day without riding is like a day without beer. Posts: 441 California Gender:	Re: tpes of Oil Reply #17 - 11/13/07 at 12:57:03 No I am using motorcycle oil
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Reply #18 - 11/13/07 at 13:38:50

I'm using the Rotella 15w-40 dino oil.
I was having a problem with clutch slip, but 20 year old springs may have been the issue. Replaced with Heavy Duty Barnett's, no problem now. I think I was having the slippage before switching to Rotella.

Stay away from the 5w and 0w's in dino, they most definitely have the friction mod's. don't know about the syn's gonna try later on.

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JakeB Junior Member Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 76 NE Ohio Gender:	Re: tpes of Oil Reply #19 - 11/15/07 at 12:55:13 SteveRocket, When I put Valvoline 10W-40 cager oil in my '87 the clutch began to slip, replaced clutch springs with Ferodo springs and it still slipped. Switched to Valvoline Synpower 20W-50 full synthetic and no more slippage. JakeB
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joeh100 Junior Member Offline http://www.livevideo .com/joeh100 Posts: 99 Cent. Alabama Gender:	Re: tpes of Oil Reply #20 - 11/17/07 at 08:29:33 What Oil should I use DURING BREAK IN? What viscosity do U recommend? I live in Alabama and probably won't be riding in cold weather but it is getting colder here. I don't expect temp's to get over 80 during breakin, but I may ride when temps are as low as 40.
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Reply #21 - 11/17/07 at 12:34:20

I agree w/ the above, most agree that a dinosaur oil must be for break-in, so the rings seat and before switching to synth. remember that cars are water cooled w/ thermostatic temp maintenance The savage is air cooled and subject to wider temp diffs.

Rocket man, sounds like it's may be time to pull the cover this winter and get a look at your 87's clutch discs. They may be worn out now. Seems like I cross-refed the Savage to a GS750, for springs once too.
SteveRocket1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:11:

I stand corrected , the clutch still slips so It was not the oil, must be the springs (I hope)

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Tim_Krantz YaBB Newbies Offline Posts: 4 ohio, bridgeport, USA Gender:	Re: tpes of Oil Reply #22 - 11/23/07 at 17:29:11 A lot of motorcyclists are using the diesal specific oils with good results. One thread said motorcycles with cat converters shouldn't use it.
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Reply #23 - 11/23/07 at 17:43:28

joeh100 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:11:

What Oil should I use DURING BREAK IN? What viscosity do U recommend?

I live in Alabama and probably won't be riding in cold weather but it is getting colder here. I don't expect temp's to get over 80 during breakin, but I may ride when temps are as low as 40.

Just use the 10W40 that came in it. Changed mine at 400, 1200 and went to synth at 2000. Oil consumption; Zilch between oil changes.

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geo Full Member Offline I'm a Savage Posts: 204 Orlando Gender:	Re: tpes of Oil Reply #24 - 01/18/08 at 22:34:02 Use Amsoil 10w-40 motorcycle oil to extend the life of the engine. Go to their website and find out.
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Reply #25 - 01/19/08 at 06:59:33

I've always used dyno for break-in then switched to synth after a few quick changes. However, Boyd Coddington advocates using Amsoil Synth for break-in but doesn't state why. I'm going to research that more...

On a similar topic, a guy named Marc Hailbeck runs a shop near Chicago for ZR-1's with LT5 engines. Apparently he's THE LT5 guru... He was talking about needing EP additives for flat-tappets, which is an API SG spec, but deleted for newer API specs. Not sure the config of our Savage...anyone know?

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Reply #26 - 01/19/08 at 08:55:24

barry68v10 wrote on 01/19/08 at 06:59:33:

I've always used dyno for break-in then switched to synth after a few quick changes. However, Boyd Coddington advocates using Amsoil Synth for break-in but doesn't state why. I'm going to research that more...

... He was talking about needing EP additives for flat-tappets, which is an API SG spec, but deleted for newer API specs. Not sure the config of our Savage...anyone know?

EP additives are not activated until you get high pressure/point temperatures - like between gear teeth. For valve and cam issues the anti-wear agents are chemicals which activate at lower temperarures. EP - Extreme Pressure - agents are really a gearbox issue, especially the hypoid gears in a differential.

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geo Full Member Offline I'm a Savage Posts: 204 Orlando Gender:	Re: tpes of Oil Reply #27 - 01/19/08 at 16:13:24 Don't use Amsoil for break-in! Use the dinosaur oil for the first 40 hours or 1500 miles, then switch to Amsoil. Amsoil greatly reduces friction and will not let the rings seat properly. Amsoil greatly reduces friction and wear and the heat created by friction. Go to their website where they give you the testing results.
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Reply #28 - 01/20/08 at 10:58:12

geo wrote on 01/19/08 at 16:13:24:

Don't use Amsoil for break-in!
Use the dinosaur oil for the first 40 hours or 1500 miles, then switch to Amsoil. Amsoil greatly reduces friction and will not let the rings seat properly. Amsoil greatly reduces friction and wear and the heat created by friction. Go to their website where they give you the testing results. Cool

Ok, I've had some time to research now, here's what I found...

In a new engine, there are microscopic "burrs" and ridges on machined surfaces. Low quality oil causes these burrs to shear off. This creates the affect of faster "wear in." The two bad things that happen as a result are:

1) The tiny metal flakes flow in the oil stream until caught by the oil filter or oil change depending on size. This creates scarring of other surfaces.

2) Hardness and density of machined surfaces is decreased in the long run.

Using a very high quality oil for break in has a few effects as well:

1) Break-in takes longer
2) Burrs are folded into the machined surface or compressed with less "shear-off"
3) Final density and hardness are higher in machined surfaces

Conclusion? Contrary to conventional wisdom and my own practice...using the highest quality oil available for break-in makes good sense.

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barry68v10 Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 955 Maryland Gender:	Re: tpes of Oil Reply #29 - 01/20/08 at 10:59:59 Guess all I have to do now is buy a new cycle and put this theory to the test!
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