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Reply #15 - 10/28/07 at 23:23:18

Agree with whomever, but my rear brake is very workable & requires a pretty heavy foot to lock it up. It is the best rear drum I have ever used. If I am in a bit of a bind I NEED a rear brake I can lean on & get feedback from other than"It's not locked yet,, okay now it's locked" & the difference in pressure on the pedal between optimal stopping power from the rear wheel & locked up rear wheel being mere ounces. My ankle isnt that smart. The more needy I am of a really quick stop, the dumber it gets.

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Reply #16 - 10/29/07 at 05:48:34

I've found rear brakes lock pretty easily on pretty much any bike I've ridden. In less than optimal traction conditions, it's led to one pretty exciting low-side and several close calls. Learning to use the right ratio of front to back brakes is just something you get with experience. It also varies by bike and, as I mentioned, road conditions.

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Reply #17 - 10/29/07 at 07:19:54

A remark about the rubber cushions:
I renewed the rubber cushions and could not get the flanges of the pulley in without much effort. Had to apply a little soap to get them in.
After I reinstalled the rearwheel and adjusting the belt there was no sideplay of the pulley and therfore no problem getting the belt in the middle of the pulley at the proper tension.
Read in the German forum the that you can tighten-up the gap in the rubber cushions by gluing a piece of bicycle inner tyre to the outside of the rubber.
Just my 2 bits.

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Reply #18 - 10/29/07 at 07:48:44

Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:

A remark about the rubber cushions:
I renewed the rubber cushions and could not get the flanges of the pulley in without much effort. Had to apply a little soap to get them in.
After I reinstalled the rearwheel and adjusting the belt there was no sideplay of the pulley and therfore no problem getting the belt in the middle of the pulley at the proper tension.
Read in the German forum the that you can tighten-up the gap in the rubber cushions by gluing a piece of bicycle inner tyre to the outside of the rubber.
Just my 2 bits.

Those are some pretty good ideas there...might want to save them in the Tech section.

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Reply #19 - 10/29/07 at 07:51:37

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:

I've found rear brakes lock pretty easily on pretty much any bike I've ridden. In less than optimal traction conditions, it's led to one pretty exciting low-side and several close calls. Learning to use the right ratio of front to back brakes is just something you get with experience. It also varies by bike and, as I mentioned, road conditions.

Yeah, that's what I meant. It can cascade on you too. The back end breaks loose and slides out, but then you release it and the tire grabs. Next thing ya know, it's going over in a "high side" and you really can get hurt.

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SavageWahine Serious Thumper Offline Aloha & Hang Loose Posts: 1553 Beautiful Kauai! Gender:	Re: Sorry! Need Help........Again! Reply #20 - 10/29/07 at 10:31:19 Am I going to need a tool to figure out the correct belt tension?? I don't have one.
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SavageDude Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Posts: 561 OC_California Gender:	Re: Sorry! Need Help........Again! Reply #21 - 10/29/07 at 10:36:51 If you twist the belt and it went further than 45 degree, then it's too loose. You should have a cooper looking gadget in the original tool pouch. If not the above test as good as it get without tool
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Savage_Rob Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Mechanically Inclined Amateur Posts: 6972 Texas (Dallas area) Gender:	Re: Sorry! Need Help........Again! Reply #22 - 10/29/07 at 10:43:41 Yup, center of the belt on the lower portion. 90 degree twist with your fingers. It should require some effort to get close to 90 degrees but not go past 90. The brass tension tool works but the 90 degree twist is simpler, works well and requires you to carry one less tool.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Sorry! Need Help........Again! Reply #23 - 10/29/07 at 11:57:03 I have one O those special tools. After using the Twist method I never touch it. Interesting to note the hazards a locked rear wheel brings, but no oine seems to want to consider the mod to make the brake less sensitive & less likely to lock up, even afetr noting it locks very easily. Okay. I give.
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Savage_Rob Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Mechanically Inclined Amateur Posts: 6972 Texas (Dallas area) Gender:	Re: Sorry! Need Help........Again! Reply #24 - 10/29/07 at 12:55:00 I just use a light foot.
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Gary On A Savage Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Only 15 mins riding could save you $$$ in Dr bills Posts: 941 Fresno, California Gender:	Re: Sorry! Need Help........Again! Reply #25 - 10/29/07 at 14:50:37 Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10: I just use a light foot. I adjusted my brake pedal setting a little lower.
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Reply #26 - 10/29/07 at 18:23:58

Actually my rear brake does never worked all that well at all. I had to push it all the way down for it to even work! I also noticed that whoever installed the rear tire before, did not line up the brake lever with the lines on the drum. The little line on the lever was way past the lines on the drum (to the right of it).
It might have had something to do with braking.

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bill67 Serious Thumper Offline old tired Posts: 8517 genoa city wisconsin Gender:	Re: Sorry! Need Help........Again! Reply #27 - 10/29/07 at 19:50:27 Did you try turning that little cam on the brake cable
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SavageWahine Serious Thumper Offline Aloha & Hang Loose Posts: 1553 Beautiful Kauai! Gender:	Re: Sorry! Need Help........Again! Reply #28 - 10/29/07 at 21:23:36 bill67 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10: Did you try turning that little cam on the brake cable When I put everything back together I'll follow Clymer's instructions on the how to. Haven't gotten time yet to sand the shoes down, to much work!!
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Reply #29 - 10/30/07 at 07:42:39

SavageWahine wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:

When I put everything back together I'll follow Clymer's instructions on the how to.
Haven't gotten time yet to sand the shoes down, to much work!!

You may find that the "wear indicator" for the brake arm looks incorrect even if you have good shoes. Don't worry so much about that.

Since you find the brake hard to push down, have you tried adjusting the brake pedal stop screw that is under the brake pedal (by the footpeg)?

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