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jkhulon73

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What a stud!
10/12/07 at 06:39:03

Okay, I had put it in another thread about my little problem with a couple of studs on the head. Not the four main studs, but the smaller studs- the one in the front and the one in the back.

My question is how essential are those to maintaining proper torque on the head?

I ask because apparently nobody in the United States has these in stock and I might not even be able to get 'em from Suzuki. If they aren't absolutely necessary for torque, I would just plug the holes left behind in the head and move on...

Otherwise, I might be boned.

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Reelthing Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Fish or ride that is the question Posts: 5397 Houston,Tx Gender:	Re: What a stud! Reply #1 - 10/12/07 at 07:24:44 bet there's spares some place perhaps used - do you know the part numbers?
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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: What a stud! Reply #2 - 10/12/07 at 07:42:17 Hmmm...let's assume they serve a purpose. Looking forward, could you just replace the studs with some other ones? Drill, tap (or helicoil) and use different nuts?
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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: What a stud! Reply #3 - 10/12/07 at 07:44:05 Oh yeah, doesn't the front stud actually go through to the exhaust port? You have a hole in there, I believe.
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youzguyz Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2538 San Antonio, Texas Gender:	Re: What a stud! Reply #4 - 10/12/07 at 07:48:54 Do you mean items 13 & 14 in this picture? Suzuki 1987 LS650PH SAVAGE-P Cylinder Head If so.. it looks like Bike Bandit may have them in stock.
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jkhulon73

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Re: What a stud!
Reply #5 - 10/12/07 at 07:50:31

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:

Oh yeah, doesn't the front stud actually go through to the exhaust port? You have a hole in there, I believe.

That's why I was asking if they're necessary for maintaining torque on the head- if not, I was going to use what was left of the studs to plug those holes in the intake and exhaust. I've checked about eight different sites and they'd all have to order them from Japan. I could probably easily replace the one stud down at the local equip supply, but the other is pretty specific to this application.

I dunno, maybe I'm just not looking in the right places. I ordered them from bikebandit, but they're back-ordered indefinitely...

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jkhulon73 Ex Member	Re: What a stud! Reply #6 - 10/12/07 at 07:51:09 youzguyz wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10: Do you mean items 13 & 14 in this picture? Suzuki 1987 LS650PH SAVAGE-P Cylinder Head If so.. it looks like Bike Bandit may have them in stock. Yep, those are the ones. They're back-ordered.
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youzguyz Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2538 San Antonio, Texas Gender:	Re: What a stud! Reply #7 - 10/12/07 at 07:54:24 jkhulon73 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10: Yep, those are the ones. They're back-ordered. That stinks.. I wish they would say so before you go through all the hassle of placing the order.
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jkhulon73

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Reply #8 - 10/12/07 at 07:58:04

youzguyz wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:

That stinks.. I wish they would say so before you go through all the hassle of placing the order.

Yeah, because even though they're back-ordered & if I do find someone that has 'em, I'd still have to pay a 20% re-stocking fee (if I understood their policy right) It's only $2.33, but that's about 45 miles worth of gas on the Savage...

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mornhm - FSO Serious Thumper Offline HMMM Posts: 1105 Gender:	Re: What a stud! Reply #9 - 10/12/07 at 08:06:45 Can you get a replacement machined at a local shop? Or can you find a wrecked Savage that is being parted out?
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youzguyz Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2538 San Antonio, Texas Gender:	Re: What a stud! Reply #10 - 10/12/07 at 08:16:46 That can't be (or shouldn't be) right. IF they had said up front that it was not in stock, then ok. But they didn't. I would drop them an email and get the straight word on that kind of thing: mailto:Cancel@bikebandit.com
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jkhulon73

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Reply #11 - 10/12/07 at 08:17:13

Anybody got a wrecked savage with a couple of extra studs lying around?

I'd thought about the machine shop route, but I'd have to research it more.

I just read through the Clymer's and it would seem, if I read it right, that the four main studs get torqued to spec once the head is put into place and then a step or two later, these two get tightened. It would seem to me that if they were integral to sealing the head to the jug, they'd be torqued at the same time..?

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jkhulon73

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Reply #12 - 10/12/07 at 08:21:21

youzguyz wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:

That can't be (or shouldn't be) right. IF they had said up front that it was not in stock, then ok. But they didn't.

I would drop them an email and get the straight word on that kind of thing:
mailto:Cancel@bikebandit.com

Well, if they don't ship in... 18 days, I guess they won't bill me. I can't really do anything until the new and improved cam chain comes in anyway. So I've got a little time to figure out exactly what I need to do. I just want to have everything ready to go when the chain gets here...

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Re: What a stud!
Reply #13 - 10/12/07 at 08:50:47

jkhulon73 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:

Anybody got a wrecked savage with a couple of extra studs lying around?

I'd thought about the machine shop route, but I'd have to research it more.

I just read through the Clymer's and it would seem, if I read it right, that the four main studs get torqued to spec once the head is put into place and then a step or two later, these two get tightened. It would seem to me that if they were integral to sealing the head to the jug, they'd be torqued at the same time..?

Yeah, but all of the studs get torqued before the engine runs and gets hot. The "steps" in the process aren't as important as the end result. Anyway, in the SSM the smaller studs are mention at the same time as the larger ones.

Funny too, Vtail dropped by yesterday and we discussed these studs and how his are always becoming loose and have the usual little drop of oil. They almost seem pretty ineffective, but I just feel that you need them. Sure would hate to blow a $27 head gasket over a couple studs. How about a cheap used head off of eBay?

I hate to mention that I trashed a bad head a couple months ago...I'll remove studs, etc. next time. Got a bike salvage place around there?

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Reelthing Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Fish or ride that is the question Posts: 5397 Houston,Tx Gender:	Re: What a stud! Reply #14 - 10/12/07 at 09:01:38 looking around - thought I might have some spares - almost every other enigne bit you can name but not the head bolts - may have been in the above mentioned trashed head
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