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10/10/07 at 11:38:57
 
Tried to take the bike to class last night, and had trouble starting it. Got about 1/2 mile down the road when it died.
Took me a while and get her started up again, and as long as I revved her hard she kept going (died when easing throttle).
So this morning I tried to figure out what was going on. Finally got her started same thing, let go of throttle she died. Then I noticed a big puddle on ground. GAS! Dripping from the bottom of bike. Started her back up again to see where it was coming from, this time is was pouring out from underneath, couldn't see where it was coming from. Let go of throttle and she died. Removed seat to see if I could find it, and noticed the end of the tube that is never connected to anything, except the top right of the carb, was wet. I always have it tucked under the seat.
Started her up again to see if gas would come pouring out, nothing, no leak, no dripping, not from anywhere. Let go of throttle, she died. So I decided to put her on PRI. Started her up, she ran let go of throttle she ran..... turned petcork on "ON" she died. Guess my petcork is broken.
Now how is it possible for gas to come out of that little hose? How come she rode fine for a while and then this? AAAHHHHHHHH!!
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Reply #1 - 10/10/07 at 11:45:40
 
I just had the same (or at least similar) problem.  I converted it to the reserve/run/off as described in the tech forum.  Now she runs fine.  I didn't have the gas spilling out problem like you did though.  It was just like one day the petcork decided it had enough and quit working.  The petcork conversion didn't take much time.  I highly recommend some gasket sealent for the petcork when you put it back on the tank.  I have seen some of your posts so I am guessing you can handle this little problem fairly easy.
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Reply #2 - 10/10/07 at 11:47:28
 
Thanks, I'll look for that post in the tech forum, sounds interesting!
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Reply #3 - 10/10/07 at 12:05:07
 
If the petc0ck is failing, you may want to check to be sure no fuel was making its way into the vacuum line.  If it has, you could have fuel mixed with your oil and you'd want to change that.
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Reply #4 - 10/10/07 at 12:14:21
 
IW.  Check the vacuum line going to the petcork.
If it's leaking, the petcork can't feed gas to the carb.

How it works:
In NORM.  Petcork is closed by diaphram inside, no gas flows.  Engine starts, the vacuum line to the petcork pulls on the diaphram and opens path from tank to carb, gas flows.

In PRI. diaphram is bypassed and gas flows all the time, and is only stopped by the float valve in the carb.

So, I would check that vacuum line first.

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Reply #5 - 10/10/07 at 12:50:28
 
So.. if I am reading all this right.

Pull vacuum line from petcork.
If gas starts coming out of that fitting on the petcork, the diaphram in there is shot and odds are good you have gas in your oil.   Instead of the vacuum just opening the petcork, the vacuum is pulling gas from the tank into the engine.  That is what Rob described.

If there is no gas coming from the fitting.  Pull vacuum line from carb end as well.  Check line for leaks.  That's what I described.

The concept is clear in my mind.. it just has a hard time making it to words.  Fingers keep getting in the way.  Tongue
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Reply #6 - 10/10/07 at 13:53:40
 
Well!!..........
Did not see fuel in vacuum line. Have petcork taken all.... the way apart. Looks like diaphragm is intact. Now what I did find
was an utterly yucky!!

I kinda wonder if it was able to have any suction at all!
I think I might attempt the petcork conversion. The only thing I'm worried about with doing that is....what happens if i forget to turn the petcork OFF after I'm done riding?
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Reply #7 - 10/10/07 at 13:55:57
 
The same thing that would happen if you left it at PRI all the time.
IF your float valve is ok, nothing evil.  IF it's bad and lets gas flow up into the carb.. then ..  someone else would know better than I.
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I presume you checked the vacuum line itself, and it isn't leaking.
Maybe just cleaning that thing up and then testing it would be ok.
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Reply #8 - 10/10/07 at 13:56:18
 
your ok as long as the carb float does not stick
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Reply #9 - 10/10/07 at 13:57:34
 
sounds like a float stick anyway - if you had gas out the vents
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Reply #10 - 10/10/07 at 14:01:33
 
Reelthing wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:
sounds like a float stick anyway - if you had gas out the vents


And there is the voice of the someone who knows better than I.
You just cleaned the carb.  I wonder if the float didn't go in quite as it should maybe?
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Reply #11 - 10/10/07 at 14:19:31
 
youzguyz wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:
And there is the voice of the someone who knows better than I.
You just cleaned the carb.  I wonder if the float didn't go in quite as it should maybe?

Well I did not see anything different on the float stick, there are only 2 ways it could go back in there, and both right and left side looked the same (I don't mean op and bottom!!). Guess I need to check it out again.
Thanks guys!
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Reply #12 - 10/10/07 at 14:36:46
 
doesn't take much of a wear ring on the float needle rubber to make a less than proper seal - might eyeball it real good - normal when the petc0ck fails the bike starts sucking gas in through the vac line and running rough - then when you turn it off it contiues to run down the vac line filling the air box and cylinder with fuel - this fuel slowly seeps past the rings and fills the crankcase - then you can have some real issues as the new mixture of oil and gas doen't lube quite as well and stuff that moves starts to score pretty fast
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Reply #13 - 10/10/07 at 14:40:00
 
OK, got carb out again! It did go out a heck of a lot easier without the top on, I'll have to mention that in my tech post!
The little scrawny clip that hangs the valve on the float has a couple of curvy things on them, which I had facing out towards the bowl. I flipped the valve and now have the scrawny clip facing the other way. Hopefully that is the way it was supposed to go.
What did you guys mean with the float stick?? the valve?
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Reply #14 - 10/10/07 at 14:41:02
 
Reelthing wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10:
doesn't take much of a wear ring on the float needle rubber to make a less than proper seal - might eyeball it real good -

That's a hard one! it looks absolutely perfect!
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