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Odar Junior Member Offline Odars ride Posts: 93 Stockholm Sweden Gender:	Re: Cam Chain Adjuster Life Reply #31 - 10/19/07 at 15:27:28 The forward controlls are Highway Hawkes and I bought them here in Sweden, a company order them for me direct from HH, thats 7 years ago and they still work pretty good. I think they still have them, move forward about 10 cm (4 inch). Odar
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Reply #32 - 12/10/07 at 08:58:29

I purchased the bike used with an indicated 5900 hundred miles on the odometer. I only met the 'wife' who was in her 30's with young kids so all I can say is it would appear to be driven by an adult. 'He' was only someone on the other end of a cell phone to me.
I switched to full synthetic 0W-40 diesel oil and that when the troubles began. The clutch began to slip although never for my wife but on the two occasions that I rode it and 'got into it' a bit it slipped in every gear.
I tore the bike down and found nothing wrong with the clutch but after much 'opinion seeking' I had compiled enough 'like data' that agreed that the synthetic oil in this particular case 'was the problem'.
It was fortunate that I made the mistake of going with the synthetic oil it would seem as in the process I discovered that my cam chain tensioner/plunger was out 21 mm and was tipped and about ready to nose dive into the case head first. Our man in California came to the rescue with his extension and and 'pin it' mod. I was very close to having a grenade go off inside the ole' thumper. Whew! that was close. It is supposed to reach a high temperature of about 15 F tomorrow. If I think I can get out of the yard through the snow I will bundle up and go for a test ride. Film at eleven as they say or when I thaw out enough that I can move my fingers enough to work this keyboard;)

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Reply #33 - 12/10/07 at 14:18:44

Without knowing the brand, it's harder to say for sure, but from the symptoms I'd bet the oil has friction modifiers in it...i.e. bad for wet clutches. The "synthetic" moniker isn't what caused the problem, I've been running 10-40 Amsoil full synthetic in mine since around 1200 miles (5500 or so now) with no clutch slipping despite lots of hard acceleration. It is JASO 2 rated (a m/c wet clutch rating.)

On topic though, I'm glad you caught the problem but am amazed that it had a problem that quickly Undecided

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barry68v10 Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 955 Maryland Gender:	Re: Cam Chain Adjuster Life Reply #34 - 12/10/07 at 14:23:31 Hey all, maybe we could design and market a cam gear conversion for this thing. They already exist for lots of hot rods. The main problem is the OHC design, long way to go, and the fact that I certainly don't want to create competition with Lancer's cam chain or Verslagen's Verslavy! Two admirable accomplishments IMHO!
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Reply #35 - 12/15/07 at 02:17:07

2002 bought it new
Supertrapp, running 8 discs, K@N air filter and Greg rejetted it with a 155 main jet.
Not one repair needed on my bike so far, except front brake pads.
Only use 50 weight auto oil, change maybe every 1 or 2 thousand miles. Maybe $6 for 3 qts. Cheap enough it allows me to change more often if Im interstating it at high speeds on long trips and after a few days.

34, 500 miles on original cam chain and tensioner. Greg opened it up and said it didnt need changing as of yet and we closed it back up til this winter.

Making a circle of the US this spring leaving from Portland Or, across Canada and back into the states somewhere on the east coast. Not sure if the original cam chain would hold up, but bike still running strong and has given no indication its going out so far. Be interesting to see if the cam chain would make the trip. Plan on having 50,000 miles by end of summer. It only had 14,500 on it when I rode across America a year and a half ago.

I ride fast but not hard. I like interstates. I like to ride at 65 to 75. Its where my bike runs the smoothest and I feel the most comfortable.

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Reply #36 - 12/15/07 at 05:49:41

stinger wrote on 12/15/07 at 02:17:07:

2002 bought it new
Supertrapp, running 8 discs, K@N air filter and Greg rejetted it with a 155 main jet.

I do believe that one is a 152.5 actually.
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Not one repair needed on my bike so far, except front brake pads.
Only use 50 weight auto oil, change maybe every 1 or 2 thousand miles. Maybe $6 for 3 qts. Cheap enough it allows me to change more often if Im interstating it at high speeds on long trips and after a few days.

Yep. One clean bike that has hardly been worked on Tongue

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34, 500 miles on original cam chain and tensioner. Greg opened it up and said it didnt need changing as of yet and we closed it back up til this winter.

Winter officially begins next week!
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Making a circle of the US this spring leaving from Portland Or, across Canada and back into the states somewhere on the east coast. Not sure if the original cam chain would hold up, but bike still running strong and has given no indication its going out so far. Be interesting to see if the cam chain would make the trip. Plan on having 50,000 miles by end of summer. It only had 14,500 on it when I rode across America a year and a half ago.

Do you have a lot of luck at the casinos too? See reminder above Grin

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I ride fast but not hard. I like interstates. I like to ride at 65 to 75. Its where my bike runs the smoothest and I feel the most comfortable.

I like 2 lane and hate interstates. I actually enjoy shifting Roll Eyes

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Online Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28754 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Cam Chain Adjuster Life Reply #37 - 12/15/07 at 21:48:16 stinger wrote on 12/15/07 at 02:17:07: Only use 50 weight auto oil... 34, 500 miles on original cam chain and tensioner. Hmmm... straight 50wt. oil?
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Re: Cam Chain Adjuster Life
Reply #38 - 12/18/07 at 13:00:18

Wow, how did I miss this thread before?

-Lancer
-1997
-Original until this rebuild
-Plunger extension measurement unknown
-With about 9-10 k miles on the engine, original cam chain is right in the middle of the allowed stretch
-Estimate 20k miles with current chain
-no indications of excess wear
-currently rebuilding engine for performance upgrades
-adjuster VS1
-original used guide
-new upgraded cam chain for the build
-oil is syn
-mod to hard riding
-60fw/40 chw aggressive riding
-original owner

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Reply #39 - 12/18/07 at 15:07:54

My original cam chain, plunger, and adjusters (slides) were all replaced in 2003. I was riding nearly nonstop from coast to coast at 80 mph. The mileage then was about 13k miles. was running penzoil 10-40. The bike suddenly couldn't go over 60 mph. rode another 800 miles that way.

Last spring I checked the plunger extension...

year: 1997

mileage: 25k (current)

old or new adjuster: ?

plunger extension: 18 mm

chain stretch: ?, a little loose when I pulled vertically up on the cahin when I had the head cover off last winter

indications (why did you open her up): lots of miles

repair action taken: welded a tab onto the plunger and drilled it (Verslavy mod)

Type of Oil? mostly Penzoil 10-40

Rider type? agressive moderate newb etc? Aggressive, hard accel, but lots of constant speed (40 mph) too. Lots of engine braking.

where do you ride the most :twisties/town/not much freeway anymore.

Number of Previous Owners? 3; I got the bike with about 7.5k miles in 2002

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Digger Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline Ya gotta be tough to ride singles! Posts: 1604 Colorado Springs, CO Gender:	Re: Cam Chain Adjuster Life Reply #41 - 07/11/08 at 20:24:41 I plan to add to this database in about 500 miles. My bike is in my signature. How are you guys defining "plunger extension?" Can I measure chain stretch with the chain in place in the engine? I'm presuming that one should measure the chain stretch in four different places along the chain. Cheers!
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Re: Cam Chain Adjuster Life
Reply #42 - 07/11/08 at 20:37:22

Plunger extension is the distance from the housing along the plunger to the corner that transitions to the flat part.

There's not enough exposed chain to measure the prescribed distance.
But it might be worthwhile to measure however many are available in as many places as you can stand to do. Someone can give the distance over the number of pins you can measure. I have a chain sitting here and will do.

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BurnPgh Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1732	Re: Cam Chain Adjuster Life Reply #43 - 07/20/08 at 23:01:10 didnt know there was a chart going on. '95 approx. 9500mi 21mm extended VS2 Inspection re-used chain, guides, and gasket on reassembly. mix of local and highway stock bike riden easy to moderately Cheapo dino 10-40 changed frequently
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DJM Full Member Offline '06 Red S40 Posts: 116 Encinitas CA Gender:	Re: Cam Chain Adjuster Life Reply #44 - 08/19/08 at 16:14:03 2006 inspection prompted by mileage 16,900 miles 18mm extension No action taken. I am second owner. oil used unknown. PO changed oil every 1000 miles. All original chain, guides and adjuster.
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