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Reply #15 - 09/05/07 at 20:26:20
 
The cryogenic stuff is pretty danged cheap. I think the freight would be more than the service/
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Reply #16 - 09/05/07 at 21:05:10
 
As others have said, it will have to be done eventually anyway.  Put me down for one.
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Reply #17 - 09/05/07 at 22:14:49
 
You guys are making me nervous......just how long does the average cam chain last til you have to take action? {sure that musta been asked before, but.....sorry},we used to have camchain probs on the Yam 650`s,  but they could hold til 50,000 miles if the guides didn`t get chewed. They had an external adjustment that was a routine tweak during tune up..but then most of us changed oil ever 500 miles or so....

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Reply #18 - 09/06/07 at 04:30:16
 
I did mine at 14,000 miles. The tensioner was at 18mm( max by the book), but the chain itself was only about 1/2 worn( as the digital callipers measured). Others have ridden further, some have ridden fewer miles & had it cause probs, ( I think) Anyone say for sure?

Heres my plan, weak as it may be. Next chain gets new guides & cryo. Extend the tensioner to get better use of its extension. Someone mentioned shimming the front guide, which would advance the cam a bit & counter the cam retading from chain stretch. Might do that. I may rerun a cam chain, since the OEM was only 1/2 worn. That would save $50.00, minus the gasket & hassle, which may not be cost effective, dunno, Thoughts anyone?

I WILL, as I did on the last one, soak the camchain in oil for a day or 2, to make sure the pins get a wet start & dont have a few seconds of unlubricated, tension & stress applied, to start off with wear marks in the pins & plates.
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Reply #19 - 09/06/07 at 06:02:57
 
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I WILL, as I did on the last one, soak the camchain in oil for a day or 2, to make sure the pins get a wet start & dont have a few seconds of unlubricated, tension & stress applied, to start off with wear marks in the pins & plates.


That is a very practical step in the process and could make a difference.  

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Reply #20 - 09/06/07 at 06:41:12
 
Oldfeller2 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:09:
Lancer and I are considering an arrangement with Morse to have them build a better cam chain for us.   The chain would be an "improvement on initial pin wear characteristics" which is all we need as we never wear the pins on a chain more than about a thousandth before we just plain run out of adjustment range.

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Before we can pursue it, we need a straw count of how many chains would be involved in the special run and if it can be done at all at that volume.

Post below if you are interested in getting an improved chain.   We can't get any price unless we know about how many chains -- Morse will divide up their set up costs among the chains they do during the special run.

Just post below if you are interested in a better chain.  A stock chain costs $90 with shipping, so "rough plan" that this one will cost $110-$120.

Post your interest below so we can count the chains.

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Just a note regarding the proposed chain purchase...this will be on a strictly cost basis, no profit of any kind will be taken by anyone in this process.
We intend to take about a week to gather commitments from the members of this site and then request a cost estimate based on the number.  That will be posted and if acceptable to everyone then the order process will be initiated.  At that point, all payments for the chains will be collected so that when the call comes that the order is ready we will be able to make the payment immediately.
A few dollars will be added to the chain cost in order to cover shipping to each person.  I would estimate that $7 would probably cover USPS Priority & insurance within the US.  (An exact shp cost will be posted after weighing a box  with chain pkg)   If you are outside the US then the cost will be more of course, and that will be determined on an individual basis depending on where you live.
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Reply #21 - 09/06/07 at 13:34:43
 
This is going to be a one time thing, huh?

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Reply #22 - 09/06/07 at 14:46:36
 
Yep, and we will be lucky to talk Morse into doing it the one (1) first time and we will certainly need maximum volume on that single order to spread the set up costs out as much as possible to keep the price as reasonable as possible.

Justin, talk to your cryo contact and lets see if we can get a bulk discount price on cryo treating the whole batch of super chains at one lump if it is really that cheap to cryo them -- not much point in not maximizing things when we do them -- this one run will be the best we can technically get.

This would be the best possible construction chain with whatever cryo can actually do to help us added on top of it.

Justin, will you do that for us please?

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Reply #23 - 09/06/07 at 14:51:28
 
If you post on other Savage boards please mention this effort to them as the extra volume will help lower the price for everybody and I don't think they would want to miss the opportunity this build will provide.

If we get enough volume we may actually be able to get the things done for cheaper than the $85 it costs from a stealership to buy a same old same old chain.  

No promises, but the possibility exists and volume does work wonders on priciing.

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Reply #24 - 09/06/07 at 15:40:38
 
Im in, please drop me an IM  when you need payment.
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Reply #25 - 09/06/07 at 19:15:00
 
Yea, I'll see what I can do. The scientist in me wants to do it 3 ways. Non-treated, not soaked, OEM, nothing special is already well documented.
I want to see it done different ways to compare results, BUt, the special chain may only pass this way once. I can't help but wonder what difference the oil bath made. I would like to compare that aproach to Oil bath AND cryo & compare that to the special chain with & w/o cryo. But, if it's a one time deal on the chain, better just unload on it & do all of it. I really dont have $100.00 to drop just now, so i will wait & just do OEM & oil soak & cryo. I am, Googling Cryogenic treatment cam chain motorcycle. any can join in the fun..
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Reply #27 - 09/06/07 at 19:53:37
 
http://www.cryoplus.com/motorsports.html This is a different place, I dont see cam chain prices.

Doesnt mean they cant or wont or that it isnt well priced, just gotta do the homework.

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Reply #29 - 09/07/07 at 08:37:25
 
The bike the wife picked up last month will likely have more than 6K miles on it by the end of this riding season.  I understand that the chains are supposed to be good for more than that, but I also see folks having problems with them early too.....

So I'd be interested in getting one if it will make the bike more reliable in the long run and changing it out over the winter (and withe buying or making a better cam tensioner)

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