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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10666 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: Durability of Savage Reply #15 - 05/23/07 at 21:06:43 Quote: don't ride it like it is a crotch rocket 8) Why not? That is where I have the most fun.
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T140V

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Reply #16 - 05/24/07 at 00:16:41

I'll wager the pitting Greg_650 had was caused by starting the engine and not letting it warm up properly. Condensation will build up on all the metal surfaces of any engine and cause rust if you shut it down without blowing out the crank case. You have to let it run on the road for a while before shutting down. How about it Greg ? Did you have any days where all you did was ride it in the driveway? Grin

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Reply #17 - 05/24/07 at 06:32:27

dinamasu wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:05:

The Savage.... engine had a SERIOUS DURABILITY issue....
-- found on Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is basically anyone writing anything they wish about any subject. They may be knowlegable, they may be biased, they may have an agenda they are pushing. There is NO authoritive source behind any of the articles on Wikipedia and thus, while interesting, it is completely useless as a reliable source of information.

That the misinformation quoted above was allowed to remain is, to me, proof positive of the uselessness of Wikipedia.

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Reply #18 - 05/24/07 at 08:15:00

Paladin. wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:05:

Wikipedia is basically anyone writing anything they wish about any subject. They may be knowlegable, they may be biased, they may have an agenda they are pushing. There is NO authoritive source behind any of the articles on Wikipedia and thus, while interesting, it is completely useless as a reliable source of information.

That the misinformation quoted above was allowed to remain is, to me, proof positive of the uselessness of Wikipedia.

For a topic as obscure as a particular model of motorcycle, that might be true. But, in general, there have been groups who have found Wikipedia to be approximately as accurate as Encylopedia Britannica.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28886 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Durability of Savage Reply #19 - 05/24/07 at 08:48:34 Maybe we need to get in our own blog about the savage.
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skatnbnc Serious Thumper Offline Spinning Pink Posts: 1286 New Bern NC Gender:	Re: Durability of Savage Reply #20 - 05/24/07 at 11:16:45 I seem to recall that you can add links to wikpedia entries. if there was one on there to this forum, things would be better...
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Reply #21 - 05/24/07 at 11:42:48

I get to hear about Wikipedia a lot, working in a library. It's useful someties if you're trying to get a general idea about a broad topic. Much the same as with encyclopedias. Because of the nature of encyclopedias (and wikis), there is a higher chance of inaccuracy than with a dedicated source book. After all, in the best scase scenario, the author of an entry is trying to cram a topic into as few words as possible to fill an allotted amount of space. It's easy for information to get garbled under these conditions. Kinda like this post...

In any case, that's why it's best to go straight to a dedicated source for information...like this forum! The folks here have an astounding amount of information and know-how.

And I think this post of mine has turned into exactly the sort of thing I was talking about. Undecided

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Oldfeller2 Senior Member Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 323 Gender:	Re: Durability of Savage Reply #22 - 05/24/07 at 16:32:34 Where is the Wiki? Learn how to get into it and go fix it -- uncorrected bad press will be read by lots of folks considering a Savage and NOT BUYING IT because of this eronious information. Oldfeller
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dixaflier

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Reply #23 - 05/24/07 at 17:08:49

Didn't you find it interesting that the guy who wrote the wikipedia article started out saying the cam doesn't get oil... then wrote,

"The LS650 is a good motorcycle for beginners due to its easy handling, but its simplistic design and RELIABILITY also make it a good choice for more experienced riders."

Seems like he oughta make up his mind. Is it unreliable because of the supposed cam problem or is it reliable and a good choice.

Mine's reliable and I figure that's all that matters.

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Reply #24 - 05/24/07 at 17:19:09

T140V wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:05:

I'll wager the pitting Greg_650 had was caused by starting the engine and not letting it warm up properly. Condensation will build up on all the metal surfaces of any engine and cause rust if you shut it down without blowing out the crank case. You have to let it run on the road for a while before shutting down. How about it Greg ? Did you have any days where all you did was ride it in the driveway? Grin

With the oil bathtub the cam has I can't picture the cam ever not being fully coated with oil. Also, after I got to looking closer, my old cam has a few pits, too, but nothing like Greg's.

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Reply #25 - 05/24/07 at 17:36:07

I've seen porosity like greg's in other vehicles. And I know there's been porosity reported in various spots. I have some in my clutch cover. Some aren't harmful, just recently someone's posted their's in the cam bathtub due to poor tolerancing in the machining of the casting causing a nasty leak. Something like that could easily sour someone to the savage. Grin

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Reply #26 - 05/25/07 at 04:48:19

More than likely the two statements were written by different people with different agendas/opinions. As several have pointed out this is a feature of the wiki.

dixaflier wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:05:

Didn't you find it interesting that the guy who wrote the wikipedia article started out saying the cam doesn't get oil... then wrote,

"The LS650 is a good motorcycle for beginners due to its easy handling, but its simplistic design and RELIABILITY also make it a good choice for more experienced riders."

Seems like he oughta make up his mind. Is it unreliable because of the supposed cam problem or is it reliable and a good choice.

Mine's reliable and I figure that's all that matters.

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Oldfeller2 Senior Member Offline I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 323 Gender:	Re: Durability of Savage Reply #27 - 05/26/07 at 12:40:52 I really don't see what you guys are talking about. I went to the Wikipeda and asked it what you guys were talking about. It told me Savages were pretty cool little bikes and I should buy one. So I did. Been happy ever since, too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_LS650_Savage Oldfeller
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