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04/09/07 at 14:55:37
 
My 1996 loses battery power every 2 - 3 days.  It will start and run well, then refuse to start for the return trip. A battery recharge fixes the problem for a few more days.

I can tell when riding that the problem is approaching because the lights and horn become dim.  I even think I'm seeing this in the dashboard lights.

The local battery shop told me that my battery was good and to look for the problem elsewhere.  I recently installed new rear turn signals, plate light, and brake light.  

Some suggestions have been that I have an open in the system that is slowly draining the battery or that my alternator is dead and refuses to charge the battery.
Any help would be appreciated.

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Reply #1 - 04/09/07 at 16:52:52
 
you are looking for a "short" a "voltage drop" not an "open."

Check out these links from the tech sect:

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Reply #2 - 04/09/07 at 22:24:33
 
1st check your changes, replace with the old ones or just check any wiring you touched.  Then check anything you pulled on.  Wires can loose their insulation on edges.

Clymer says at 5k rpm you should get 14 to 15.5 volts with the headlight on high.

If you don't have a manual, it's time to get one.   Grin
Either Clymer or SSM.  It will save you cash and hair.
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Reply #3 - 04/10/07 at 08:11:11
 
2-3 days is not too long between charges for a good battery.  Sounds like 2 problems at once.  An old battery and a weak charging system.  It will sit and not start.  It will charge and start.  It will run and not start.

Looking at it from the 2 battery posts...

If you have a reasonably used battery that is properly filled with good battery cables...

...and the battery will not start the engine, the battery is the problem.

...and the battery will not recharge to start the engine, the battery is bad.

...and the battery will recharge to start the engine, the battery is good.

...but the good battery will not start the engine after running, the engine is the problem.

...but the good battery will not start the engine after not running, the bike is the problem.

A manual is a couple extra volts all by itself Tongue
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Reply #4 - 04/21/07 at 08:15:34
 
Smileythe link to the troubleshooting flowchart was excellent.

I've purchased a new R/R.  Now, How do I hook it up? ???

Which of the three yellow wires connects to which of the three yellow wires?  They're all yellow, so perhaps it doesn't matter? Just plug any yellow to any yellow and get  ridin'?

How would I use my multi-meter to determine which yellows connect to each other?
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Reply #5 - 04/21/07 at 09:17:08
 
dallaslibertarian wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:
Smileythe link to the troubleshooting flowchart was excellent.

I've purchased a new R/R.  Now, How do I hook it up? ???

Which of the three yellow wires connects to which of the three yellow wires?  They're all yellow, so perhaps it doesn't matter? Just plug any yellow to any yellow and get  ridin'?

How would I use my multi-meter to determine which yellows connect to each other?

So the battery was good and the bike was bad?

Those yellow wires are 3 phases off the alternator.  So they are essentially the same.  The new one didn't have a connector (bottom of photo)?
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Reply #6 - 04/21/07 at 10:35:11
 
The alternator is 3 phase alternating current.  This means there are 3 separate circuits that are + or - at different times.

Rectifiers convert ac to dc using diodes.  Basically, they short the + phase of the alternator to the +post of the battery and vice versa.

Since they all end up as dc, it doesn't matter which one is connected to which.   Grin
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Reply #7 - 04/23/07 at 09:08:30
 
Excellent !

All plugged in and on the road.
I zip tied every wire out of the way and wrapped everything in black tape to keep it free of abrasion.

I rode the bike three times yesterday and again this morning with plenty of electrical power each time.  If it starts w/o help this evening, after sitting all day, I'll start think we solved this problem.


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Reply #8 - 04/23/07 at 09:16:43
 
verslagen1 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:
The alternator is 3 phase alternating current.  This means there are 3 separate circuits that are + or - at different times.

Rectifiers convert ac to dc using diodes.  Basically, they short the + phase of the alternator to the +post of the battery and vice versa.

Since they all end up as dc, it doesn't matter which one is connected to which.   Grin


Diodes in the form of a bridge rectifier....
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