SuzukiSavage.com - Some questions from Brazil.....

callado

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Some questions from Brazil.....
03/26/07 at 18:31:51

First of all, I'm new Savage's owner and I very glad with all the usefull hints I'm getting here.

I'm from Brazil (so sorry 'bout my english), and here the LS650 is a discontinued motorcycle since 2001 (my own is a 2000 model).

Here in Brazil it's very easy and cheap to design and produce new acessories from scratch, but it's very hard (and expensive) get all the other parts you need.

All right, here I go.

I was reading all the topics about jetting, rejjeting, shock absorbers and spark plugs and I reaaly want to do some mod's in my bike.

But I can get these stuff here and have to order it all from USA (I still need to find some good on line stores that send it all to Brazil - or get a friend to do it and send by mail). I'm accepting suggestions.

So, before I order a bunch of things, I resolve share with you guys (who have a bigger experience) my needs about mods.

I want to replace and order these products:

01 K&N filter SU-6595 (www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=SU-6595);
02 Denso Spark Plug IXU01-24 (to get a spare one) (part number 267700-1060);
01 Dinajet 3107.001 (www.dynojet.com/pdf/3107.pdf);
01 power cable (I need some help here - I can't find anything...);
Main jets 147.5, 150, 152.5 and 155 (can't find on line store for these ones);
Pilot jets 47.5, 50, 52.5 and 55 (can't find on line store for these ones);
01 pair of Progressive Suspension Shock Absorbers (Remenber I only got one problem: My Savage use to carry about 200kg (My wife, me and all the luggage you can imagine!) (I found special ones at www.motorcycle-suspension.com/wilbers_shock_absorber/type_630_ts/index.html - they look fine but are very expensive);

Well, that's all i'm needing to buy!

So, I'm asking for some help to organize my ideias about what I can do, what will, works better etc, BEFORE I before I order anything.

Thanx to all!

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Re: Some questions from Brazil.....
Reply #1 - 03/26/07 at 22:38:24

callado wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:03:

I want to replace and order these products:

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01 K&N filter

sorry I'll not help you here - my view it hurts more than it helps in the long run
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02 Denso Spark Plug IXU01-24 (to get a spare one) (part number 267700-1060);

do you want a Denso or an Iridium plug (ngk)?
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01 Dinajet

this doesn't do anything if you're going to change the mainjet any way and are willing to sand the white spacer in half
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01 power cable (I need some help here - I can't find anything...);

need to explain what it is
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Main jets 147.5, 150, 152.5 and 155 (can't find on line store for these ones);

you really don't need that many if you know your elevation above sea level - what is in the carb now ?
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Pilot jets 47.5, 50, 52.5 and 55 (can't find on line store for these ones);

rare to need to change these - what is in the carb now?
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01 pair of Progressive Suspension Shock Absorbers (Remenber I only got one problem: My Savage use to carry about 200kg (My wife, me and all the luggage you can imagine!)

on the progressive shocks I'd suggest you keep the bike roughly the same height and just up grade the shocks - based on the 200kg load the 412-4233c's are reasonable - if your really going to heavy load it - most of time - 412-4236c - but really going to load I mean

you need a better pipe if yoursis the stock canister - like a HD SE II would be good

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Reelthing Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Fish or ride that is the question Posts: 5397 Houston,Tx Gender:	Re: Some questions from Brazil..... Reply #2 - 03/26/07 at 22:47:43 and by the way the deal is - what is in the carb now ? you need to drop the bowl and pull the main jet - if it's a 145 likely a us spec carb (assume it's stock) if it's a 135 it's a EU spec - need to know that before any carb work is done
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klx650sm2002 Serious Thumper Offline The more I learn the less I know. Posts: 2041 Cumbria,England Gender:	Re: Some questions from Brazil..... Reply #3 - 03/27/07 at 09:21:38 Denso do an iridium plug # IX 24 B. Clive W
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callado Ex Member	Re: Some questions from Brazil..... Reply #4 - 03/28/07 at 06:35:31 I'll check my jets today then, with right information, we can work in a good mod for my savage! Thanxs! PS: Denso IXU01-24 is a racing iridium spark plug.
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klx650sm2002 Serious Thumper Offline The more I learn the less I know. Posts: 2041 Cumbria,England Gender:	Re: Some questions from Brazil..... Reply #5 - 03/29/07 at 01:12:06 What's the spec on the IXU01-24 ? The IX24B is 0.4mm center electrode with a u-groove tapered cut earth electrode. Clive W
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callado Ex Member	Re: Some questions from Brazil..... Reply #6 - 03/30/07 at 06:00:47 Quote: What's the spec on the IXU01-24 ? All the information about these spark plugs can be found at http://www.globaldenso.com/PLUG/racing/features.html.
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klx650sm2002 Serious Thumper Offline The more I learn the less I know. Posts: 2041 Cumbria,England Gender:	Re: Some questions from Brazil..... Reply #7 - 03/31/07 at 03:02:46 It seems that the difference between a IX24B and a IXU01-24 is that the latter has a slanted earth electrode. Comparing the IXU01-24 (0.4mm center electrode) with a similar 0.8mm center electrode plug gives a 1.2% power increase. I'll stick with my IX24B (0.4mm) for now. Clive W
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callado

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Reply #8 - 04/01/07 at 22:37:10

Reelthing wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:03:

sorry I'll not help you here - my view it hurts more than it helps in the long run

Even if I use the SU-6595 that has the original dimensions?

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do you want a Denso or an Iridium plug (ngk)?

The Irididium Spark plug I told you before is a Iridium Racing model.

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this doesn't do anything if you're going to change the mainjet any way and are willing to sand the white spacer in half

Yep, you're right. I'll jet the carb without buy any dyno stuff.

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need to explain what it is

I was talking about the cable that plugs the coil to the spark plug (Sorry, my tech englis is very lame!)

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you really don't need that many if you know your elevation above sea level - what is in the carb now ?

My elevation is about 2950 feet and the main jet here is the 125 (very, very lame - but our gas is mixed with etanol for polution control reasons). I was thinking about use the 130 main jet. What do u think?

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rare to need to change these - what is in the carb now?

Right again, don't need to change the pilot jet!

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on the progressive shocks I'd suggest you keep the bike roughly the same height and just up grade the shocks - based on the 200kg load the 412-4233c's are reasonable - if your really going to heavy load it - most of time - 412-4236c - but really going to load I mean

Believe me, I use the mencioned load most of time!

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you need a better pipe if yoursis the stock canister - like a HD SE II would be good

I already use a very better pipe. Take a look on this stainless stell/aluminium pipe at http://www.roncar.com.br/br/mostra_produto.php?id=736

Thanxs for your atention.

Now I just need to figure out how to buy all these things an mail them for me.........

Callado!

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callado Ex Member	Re: Some questions from Brazil..... Reply #9 - 04/02/07 at 07:54:11 Folks, I really nedd to know your opinions about this mods....
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Reply #10 - 04/02/07 at 20:14:27

callado wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:

Folks,

I really nedd to know your opinions about this mods....

Do you already have the free flow pipe on the bike? - if so does it backfire when you let off the throttle or turn the engine off when you stop? - the normal up jet is 1 or 2 sizes when you change to a freeflow exhaust and air filter. - so a 130 is likely right on

I'll help you with the parts if you have a paypal account?

by the way do have any wires going into the left(port) side of the carb?
Have you had the diaphram/slide out of the carb? if so is there just a single long spring or 2 long springs with a plastic washer in the middle?

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Reply #11 - 04/02/07 at 21:05:15

Reelthing wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:

Do you already have the free flow pipe on the bike?

Yes, I have one of these - http://www.roncar.com.br/br/mostra_produto.php?id=736

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if so does it backfire when you let off the throttle or turn the engine off when you stop?

Yep, she always backfire when I letoff the throttle - and she do it a lot!

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the normal up jet is 1 or 2 sizes when you change to a freeflow exhaust and air filter. - so a 130 is likely right on

That's what I was guessing.... Thanxs!

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I'll help you with the parts if you have a paypal account?

Man, this will be a very nice thing to do. How can we do this? ( Actually a don't have an account, but I can create one!)

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by the way do have any wires going into the left(port) side of the carb?

I have the throttle wire on the left side.

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Have you had the diaphram/slide out of the carb?

Yes!

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if so is there just a single long spring or 2 long springs with a plastic washer in the middle?

Just a single long spring

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Reelthing Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Fish or ride that is the question Posts: 5397 Houston,Tx Gender:	Re: Some questions from Brazil..... Reply #12 - 04/02/07 at 21:31:01 ok - on the wires - I'm not talking about the throttle cable - but electric wires going into the side of the carb ?
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Reply #13 - 04/02/07 at 22:14:45

ok - if you do not have any electric wires going into the carb we know what we have.

do you ever ride in very dusty conditions? if not the K&N slide in filter will help - if you do ride in the dust(grease the back side of the filter!) I would not use the K&N.

I've sent parts around the world several times via email-let's do this one open on the forum.....

Based on the answers:

I'd suggest these part's:
K&N filter(if not a dusty ride): SU-6595
head to pipe gasket: 14181-45c00
pipe to muffler gasket: 14771-24b01(copper clad)/14771-46e00(fiber)
Tube of hi-temp copper permatex:
mainjet 130 132.5 and 135:
pilot 50:
Spare white spacer:
Progressive Shocks: 412-4236C
SuperBrace:
4 Test sparkplugs Champion : RA6HC
NGK IR Plug: DPR8EIX-9

I need to order some other suff - so your only shipping will be from houston to brazil - do you want me to price these things?

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Reply #14 - 04/02/07 at 22:23:06

Hello Callado,

It seems ReelThing is well on the way to helping you with your issues and parts needed.

Thought I would mention to you that I have loaded my old '87 model to 200+kg and was very surprised at its ability to pull right away and accellerate well with original gearing and tire size on flat ground. However, depending on your top speed needs, and terrain; hills / mountains etc... you may later want to consider the chain drive conversion discussed lately. Or, you may find the original gearing already to your liking.

Another suggestion on Shock Absorbers: While not the higher quality of a Progressive, an alternative is the slightly taller factory shocks from a Suzuki Intruder. They are a bit taller and would help handle the added load you carry. However, they aren't going to have as much added performance and adjustability as the Progressive. You could also get a taller Progressive and get both benefits.

I'm hoping you may answer a question about the exhaust system you posted the link to. What is the construction of it? There seems to be a material between the inner and outter pipes. What is that material and its purpose? I'd just read the page myself, but I don't read Portuguese Wink

Regards, John

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