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Removing Side Stand Interlock & Kill Switch
02/07/07 at 08:31:01
 
Helloooooo Savages!

First of all, let me remind everyone that mine is a 1997 model.

Second, I've been studying the wiring diagram and redrawing it for a while now.

What I want to do is remove the the clutch lever interlock, side stand switch, diode (i.e. the double diode), and the relay.

So the connections I need to make are:

1)  short the y/g wires at the clutch lever switch.  This shorts one end of the starter switch to the decomp. contoller. (I've already done this and it works).  

2)  short either orange going into the side stand relay to the o/b leaving the side stand relay.  This will leave the kill switch functional.

3)  [a]  removing the kill switch:  short the o/b in 2) to the o/w of the starter.  This let's the starter do it's job and continues to provide the signal the Ignitor needs (also shorted to the ignition coil).  Now the bike can only be turned off witht he igniton (key) switch or by stalling it.

3 [b] short the Gray to the O at the right handle bar box.  This needs to be done since the igniton switch gets power from there for some reason.  This is the circuit that powers the always on tail light when the ignition switch is in the "ON" position.

I am forgoing a front brake light switch.  Now I will only have 8 wires going to the front of the bike:
3 for the headlight, 2 for the coil, and 2 for the decomp sol.  The starter and hi/low switches will be under the seat.

I can now remove all the garbage suzuki put under there, like the double diode, side stand relay, lots of wires...

Sooooooooooooo, anyone see any problems with this setup?  

I'm gonna do some real work, then come back here and recheck everything.

Thanks,

V

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Reply #1 - 02/07/07 at 09:51:06
 
Done yet?
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Reply #2 - 02/07/07 at 10:07:45
 
I don't see any typos... so, yes.  This sound good to you greg?
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Reply #3 - 02/07/07 at 10:20:29
 
In the diagram below, I've added some colors to indicate the conenctions described above.  later I will post a "simplfied wiring diagram."



1) = blue dot
2) = red line
3) [a] = green dot
3) [b] = light blue line

I have not shown new opens

Reading in the other recent electical thread, there are multiple frame grounds?  The only one I can think of is from the battery to the engine.  What other ones are there?  or did I misread twice?
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Reply #4 - 02/07/07 at 11:20:56
 
All of the Black/White are actually ground.

Ever wondered about that little wire that is also attached to the battery ground?  That little wire is the harness ground for all the isolated devices (relays and modules) and a few switches.  I've got them all grounded to the frame.

To me it was like a Suzuki engineer on crack.  Anytime they added a device, they connected the ground to some other device.  No central termination.  When you get in the harness, there are splices everywhere Tongue

I think that I have a picture of the whole thing unwrapped somewhere.  It took me 40 hours to rewire it the way I wanted.
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Reply #5 - 02/07/07 at 11:31:25
 
yeah, I've noticed it's a real rat's nest in there.  I'm not sure how much I'm gonna yank off... for now, I just want to remove the SSR, SSW, SSDD, KS,...

Do those connections sound correct?
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Reply #6 - 02/07/07 at 11:54:32
 
I'm taking a look at the original copy of the schematic...kinda hard to zoom the one on the site....

Does the green dot mean that you plan to connect those 2 wires?
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Reply #7 - 02/07/07 at 12:10:24
 
Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:
Does the green dot mean that you plan to connect those 2 wires?


Yes.  this should bypass botht he kill switch and the whole side stand interlock.  At least, that's what I THINK should happen.
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Reply #8 - 02/07/07 at 12:13:34
 
Here's a diagram I drew of the simplified wiring harness.  I tried to keep the colors as accurate as possible.  I have not shown the headlight or hi/lo switch.



so here, there are obviously no turn sigs, horn, clutch or side stand interlock, stuff in the speedo, and associated relays...


so, I guess what I'm asking, will this work?  Tongue
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Reply #9 - 02/07/07 at 12:38:14
 
Looks possible.  It is rather simplified, but if you remove everything and start from scratch...getting rid of safety devices, as I did...

Ever thought about chucking the Decomp module and relay?  That could also be done manually with a lever like one of my old Yamahas.
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Reply #10 - 02/07/07 at 12:50:59
 
I'd love to.  Not a project I'm ready for, though.

So this will get my bike started?  If you say "yes," and it doesn't work, well, it's not your fault! (that's an unintentional pun).
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Reply #11 - 02/07/07 at 13:08:18
 
I won't say that it won't work, but let's face it, there are a lot of wires that have to be dealt with.  It can be done, it just has to be right.

When I redid my harness I could not start the bike until I was done, so I just kept my fingers crossed and took my time.

How about getting rid of your rear pegs?
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Reply #12 - 02/07/07 at 13:35:23
 
photoshop!

I took mine off.  I'm hoping to use the left side pass peg hole to mount a jockey shift to one day...

Cool... alright, so I can read a circuit diagram reasonably well.  Now I just have to do it... correctly!

Thanks for the confidence boost!

Hmmm... maybe I want go to the bar before I tackle this...

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Re: Removing Side Stand Interlock & Kill Switc
Reply #13 - 02/07/07 at 22:12:21
 
I was looking at the wiring schematic and it seems that the only thing You have to do is - to connect the O/W wire that goes in the igniter with the O/B  wire that comes from the reg/rec. Depending where You will make the connection, the O/B wire might change the color to O.
This will solve everything exept the starter interlock switch /clutch lever position switch/. You have done it  by connecting the 2 Y/G wires.
It seems pretty good idea if You like  simplicity and reliability. Just double-check all the connections and follow Greg's advice.
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Reply #14 - 02/08/07 at 08:33:21
 
vroom1776 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:
photoshop!

I took mine off.  I'm hoping to use the left side pass peg hole to mount a jockey shift to one day...

Cool... alright, so I can read a circuit diagram reasonably well.  Now I just have to do it... correctly!

Thanks for the confidence boost!

Hmmm... maybe I want go to the bar before I tackle this...



No photoshop.  Weldingshop!

I imagine that you'll go to the bar a couple times before you get it rewired too (I would) Smiley

Good luck on this job.
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