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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6047 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Super or Regular Reply #15 - 02/06/07 at 16:07:00 syn or dino oil ??
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Reelthing Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Fish or ride that is the question Posts: 5397 Houston,Tx Gender:	Re: Super or Regular Reply #16 - 02/06/07 at 16:13:10 syn hands down - would you feed rotten dinos to anything you cared about?
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6047 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Super or Regular Reply #17 - 02/06/07 at 16:43:32 Reelthing wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02: syn hands down - would you feed rotten dinos to anything you cared about? just my furnace oh yeah gas is rotten dino!!!
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Reply #18 - 02/07/07 at 06:11:00

i might have a new direction for this thread... ethanol... i know it would require having a lot of stuff fabricated from stainless steel or teflon coated due to ethanol being water soluble, but it also has a very high octane. what other mods would you have to make to git 'er done with ethanol? hot spark? timing? what are the thoughts on this? i'm noticing ethanol starting to be sold pretty regularly around here and i'm hoping more places will go to this option.

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Reply #19 - 02/07/07 at 08:24:32

EntropyofMe wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

i might have a new direction for this thread... ethanol... i know it would require having a lot of stuff fabricated from stainless steel or teflon coated due to ethanol being water soluble, but it also has a very high octane. what other mods would you have to make to git 'er done with ethanol? hot spark? timing? what are the thoughts on this? i'm noticing ethanol starting to be sold pretty regularly around here and i'm hoping more places will go to this option.

thoughts?

It's not new. There are other threads where ethanol has been discussed fairly well. O-rings, tubing, seals, gaskets, etc. would all need to be certified to function with it. I've seen some of that stuff available for my Amal but the mileage is worse with ethanol too. I'm leaning more toward a diesel bike someday.

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Reply #20 - 02/07/07 at 09:21:43

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

It's not new. There are other threads where ethanol has been discussed fairly well. O-rings, tubing, seals, gaskets, etc. would all need to be certified to function with it. I've seen some of that stuff available for my Amal but the mileage is worse with ethanol too. I'm leaning more toward a diesel bike someday.

ah, my bad. i figured someone had to have mentioned it at some point or another. a diesel bike would be sweet! i think the military is using them already if i'm not mistaken. i saw some show about it a while back.

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Yonuh Adisi FSO Serious Thumper Offline Savage Jedi (Knight) Posts: 3622 Pilot Valley NV, aka Tatooine Gender:	Re: Super or Regular Reply #21 - 02/07/07 at 09:29:38 The only problem I see with diesel is that in my neck of the woods the price is much higher than gas.
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EntropyofMe Junior Member Offline Deuces neva loses! Posts: 99 On the road soon, I hope. Gender:	Re: Super or Regular Reply #22 - 02/07/07 at 10:01:42 Yonuh Adisi FSO wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02: The only problem I see with diesel is that in my neck of the woods the price is much higher than gas. true, same here. but, it does open you up to more options (i.e. biodiesel, "grease bike").
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Reply #23 - 02/07/07 at 13:43:19

EntropyofMe wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

ah, my bad. i figured someone had to have mentioned it at some point or another. a diesel bike would be sweet! i think the military is using them already if i'm not mistaken. i saw some show about it a while back.

Yeah, I keep watching http://www.dieselmotorcycles.com/ to see when their commercial model goes into production. It's a 650cc thumper (based on the KLX 650, I think) that gets 102 MPG. I just signed up for their newsletter.

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Reply #24 - 02/07/07 at 13:59:15

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

Yeah, I keep watching http://www.dieselmotorcycles.com/ to see when their commercial model goes into production. It's a 650cc thumper (based on the KLX 650, I think) that gets 102 MPG. I just signed up for their newsletter.

man, those are nice! definitely the bikes that i saw on that show. i'm sure it was some discovery channel program or something.

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Reply #25 - 02/07/07 at 14:07:57

Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:02:

Yeah, I keep watching http://www.dieselmotorcycles.com/ to see when their commercial model goes into production. It's a 650cc thumper (based on the KLX 650, I think) that gets 102 MPG. I just signed up for their newsletter.

was due for release this year last i checked..id do it if i had the green!!!

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Reply #26 - 02/07/07 at 14:50:50

Hello Savages:
Diesel motorcycles.....I dunno bikes take such little gas and are so fuel efficient compared to cars.

Of course if we could harness the power of peoples Bitxhing we would have an unlimited fuel source. Tongue

We have an ethanol plant being constructed outside of town right now, it really helps the poor farmers because the principal ingredient is corn. We got lots of that. Grin

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Reply #27 - 02/07/07 at 15:36:22

Ethanol is a superior motor fuel to gasoline and diesel IF the motor is setup for it and it's not mixed with gasoline. You could pump the compression ratio up to 13.5:1 and make some crazy power Grin

Have been around experiments with propane and natural gas too. They are also superior to gasoline as a motorfuel source. Had a truck that ran on propane. Was sad to see it go, but the pastor of my church had need of a truck...

Anyway, high octane is great if you can use it, the problem is 8.5:1 compression can't use it. If anyone is concerned about overheating, richening the mixture is far better for protecting the engine than running high octane (old circle-track trick.)

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Reply #28 - 02/23/07 at 20:44:01

Fuel revisited..again.
Back when I bought the 650 I had been out of work and the 38 gallon tank on the Suburban was eating my lunch, literally. :'(
So back then I ran regular except when it got hot.
Then I got busy. The 650 got me bikin again and then work got good again.
AND, I have a new Amoco (white gas) station right down the street. So now both bikes are so economical I use the good stuff all the time, just in case. I mean how else you gonna spend a quarter these days? ???

As for cars they have knock sensors now, so they can tune down for detonation. I am not sure why cold weather would offer any other real use for premium, other than if new OBD2 cars w/ more compression would be able to crank in more advance in combination w/ cold air and more octane?

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Reply #29 - 02/24/07 at 06:31:24

When I bought my Savage, I initially thought, "Big Single needs Premium" like everyone else, and I ran premium for almost 2 years. I thought that it couldn't hurt anyway.

In the winter of '02, I tore down my engine to fix the plug leak, and while there I decided to paint the engine. That meant the head and cylinder were coming off....And I got to see the piston.

I had a crappy digital camera back then, but here is what I found. (BTW-I edited this shot for Be_Savage)

Yesterday, after 5 years and another 12K miles of using regular gas, I pulled the head again.

Here you have it. 6 times the mileage as in the first picture.

Not being a chemist, I can't tell you the scientific stuff, but the general understanding is that premium burns slower than regular to prevent knock or ping. However, if the engine doesn't need premium it may not burn as cleanly either.

So, I will say it one more time. If you want to run premium even though you don't hear any knock or pinging, or because it simply makes you feel good. Go right ahead. It's your dollar.

PS - if you right click and "view image", you'll get a bigger picture.

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