Rockin_John
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Geo, I started riding back in those good ol' days too... but the forces at work in the changes to what bikes are available today are more complex than just the clean air quality standards and difference between 2 and 4 stroke engines.
Though those issues did weigh heavy on manufactureres to change engine designs; much of the styling designs mentioned, and what is conidered a small / large, or "beginner" bike have been changes in the mind set of the consumer as much or more than the makers.
BTW, one of my bikes I put quite a few miles on as a teen, before it got stolen, was an early 70s DT-250 also. I went through several phases with it, the last being a higher geared mostly-street bike that was about as fast as my current Savage. Top speed was probably a bit faster than the Savage! Dragged an H2 Kaw for a while too... those would put hair on your... or remove it rapidly if you didn't know how to ride it.
And while "clean air standards" may have eliminated many these bikes, I'm not kidding myself that they were that "great." While wonders in their time, most of those old wonder machines had flaws. Sometimes serious ones.
And you've touched on one of my pet peeves... Beginner bikes. My thinking must be much different that many others on this issue, because I think the Honda Rebel, and Suzuki Savage are very bad choices as first rides, and especially poor choices as training cycles for teaching new riders on.
In fact, IMO, even the 883 with middle foot peg controls probably would be a better choice. A forward mounted foot position is no way to learn to ride from day one IMO. And there is no doubt in my mind that either the 250cc Ducati that was the first bike I rode, or the Honda CL90cc that was the first bike I owned, were both far superior cycles to learn on that any sit-back, forward control, crusier style bike.
And while I've gotten familiar with the controls on my Savage, and love the bike... to the point of wanting to personalize and customize it, still wish there were several models offered with the same engine. At least a UJM (Universal Japanese Motorcycle) could be made a good all around ride, and a good platform for user modification into other more specialized uses (Cafe, Scrambler, etc...).
I agree with your last statement, but with additions: Since the whole Motard thing seems to be a no-go in North America, we are overdue for SOME innovation, even if that innovation is the de-evolution back to the UJM or low ride height Enduro or something besides more crusiers and crotch rockets.
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