clearly, i was't speaking of a match up like you mentioned, i was talking about machines that are in the same class.  i once had a vw that i beat everybody with, that is off the line and across the intersection.
i've spent my whole life on the racing scene. crew, track official, announcer. even drove a few races. the fact is numbers work for basic comparision, but won't determine who will win a race.  

a moped could beat the machine you mention, ie. redlight. loss of traction. wrecking.  all factors in winning a race.

i still stand by "liars can figure, and figures can lie"
take enron, tyco, ect.

Thanks again everybody!

    Azjay, you guessed right, I'm at my 10 year mark, did 5 on AOE-1 (USS Sacramento), 3 years recruiting out in Colorado and now I'm on the mighty fighting USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72).

   Lurking the forums ponied up another little gem, I've rotated my buckhorns foward a good 20-25 degrees and no longer feel the need for mini apes just yet. I took a picture of my wife on the bike after the rotation but I'll wait for her to upload all the pics before I post that. We got a ton on there because we just got back from our wedding ceremony in Vegas.

   Aside from that, Sluggo, you got it. No more "Torques momma" jokes. I don't wanna get banned before my 3rd post, and thanks for a warning rather than just booting me.

Thanks again everybody, I look forward to the time when I'll be the guy with the answers.

Matt