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Installed the braided stainless brake line
04/15/06 at 22:55:44
 
It started off easy enough and it probably went completely as planned... except...


I was using a MityVac to pull the brake fluid through the line, which actually works very well.  I drained all the old fluid first and I'm thinking it was probably what came with the bike in '98.  I've had it about 20 months and probably should've changed the fluid already but had been putting it off until I replaced the line.  That stuff was the color of maple syrup instead of more like white Karo like it should be.  Anyway, bleeding went well.  Replacing the line was a cinch.  Everything was included: new line, bolts and spacers for banjo fittings, etc.  The problem was that the bleed nipple seems to allow some air to seep past its threads when it's not tightened fully and using the MityVac created enough suction that it appeared I had a lot of air in my line and I was having a heck of a time figuring out how.  I kept checking the banjo fittings and, by the time I determined that all was okay and I was just seeing air pulled at the nipple, I had emptied a full bottle of Dot 4.  Oh well, it works and works very well.
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Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line
Reply #1 - 04/15/06 at 23:06:46
 
I just did the fluid thing on mine as well.  I thought mine looked more along the lines of iced tea, but that and maple syrup are probably about the same color.  Grin

I did mine the old fashioned way.  Put my 14 year old daughter on the seat, and I pulled up a milk crate and had her pump it up and hold it while I bled the old fluid off.   Kept topping off the master cylinder in the process to ensure no air got in.  Took about half an hour, but it went well and I now have nice, clear brake fluid and much firmer brakes.

Where did you get your new brake line at and how much does something like that run?
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Reply #2 - 04/16/06 at 08:01:35
 
I use the MityVac to bleed out my cars...same thing happens everytime...air passes through the threads right back in to the Vac appearing as though you've still got air in the lines.  I just have to keep in mind that there is actually very little fluid that is retained in the lines (low volume high pressure).  Once I've pulled more than 2 or 3 times this amount, I figure it's fine.  If you've got a hard pedal, you're good to go.  I like the MityVac because I'm almost always alone in my garage - just the way I like it!
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Reply #3 - 04/17/06 at 08:41:23
 
I find that the migthy vac is great for removing brake fluid, but sucks for actual bleeding.  I bleed my brakes the brake lever pump way...
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Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line
Reply #4 - 04/17/06 at 11:02:27
 
911radioman wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:
Where did you get your new brake line at and how much does something like that run?


I got it from HEL (http://www.helusa.com/) and was $49 with shipping included... but I'd forgotten Lancer also sells them.  Check with him to see what deals he can offer.
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Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line
Reply #5 - 12/28/06 at 20:18:15
 
Savage_Rob wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:04:
The problem was that the bleed nipple seems to allow some air to seep past its threads when it's not tightened fully and using the MityVac created enough suction that it appeared I had a lot of air in my line and I was having a heck of a time figuring out how.  I kept checking the banjo fittings and, by the time I determined that all was okay and I was just seeing air pulled at the nipple, I had emptied a full bottle of Dot 4.


For the record....

The MityVac tool is a great way to bleed brake lines.  You'll have better luck using it if you first remove the bleed nipple and wrap the threads in teflon tape.  This will keep air from being sucked in through the threads.

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Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line
Reply #6 - 12/28/06 at 21:40:21
 
I got my line from HEL too. did not know Lancer sold them @ time but his price is comparable to HEL's (but his might not - understandably - include free shipping). I'd aLso check to see if he supples new bolts & washers (I understand it is really advisable to change the latter).

I bled my fluid (also looked very old) using the old fluid in a jam jar trick with friend operating the lever - seemed to go smoothly & easily/quickly enough.
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Reply #7 - 12/28/06 at 23:20:24
 
Digger is correct. Wrap some teflon tape around the threads of the bleeder screw. That'll stop the air from entering around the bleed screw.

I started using a Motive power bleeder for my cars a couple of years ago.  It forces brake fluid into the master cylinder under pressure.  Works great, but there is no adapter for a motorcycle. Probably overkill for a motorcycle, anyway.
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Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line
Reply #8 - 12/29/06 at 00:23:41
 
KLX has an extra bleed nipple on the banjo bolt where it exits the master cylinder.

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Reply #9 - 12/29/06 at 05:34:05
 
klx650sm2002 wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12:
KLX has an extra bleed nipple on the banjo bolt where it exits the master cylinder.

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Explain please.
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Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line
Reply #10 - 12/29/06 at 05:53:52
 
Sorry but photos may take a while(I use 35mm and scanner)
I bought it from BSR AEROTEK (www.bsr-aerotek.com)it is a banjo bolt with a tapped hole in the hex end for a bleed nipple.Look for Single(or Double) Bolt with Bleed Nipple.


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Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line
Reply #11 - 12/29/06 at 08:33:51
 
I know that when I last disassembled my front brake (I painted the caliper), it was very difficult to refill the brake line with just the brake lever.  I had to manually fill it.

Question:  Has anyone ever tried to pump or inject brake fluid through the bleeder on the caliper and UP to the master cylinder?
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Reply #12 - 12/29/06 at 11:18:20
 
Rob, did the new line make the braking effort noticably less?
More controllable ? Tell me all the good stuff that makes me need to do this, please..
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Reply #13 - 12/29/06 at 14:52:39
 
Justin_o_guy -

from George, not Rob. as I changed my brake pads to EBC same time as I changed the line/fluid my brakes the brakes were better but can not tell which mod/service did it or as I suspect both (+ new fluid) contributed.

know on my other bike (seriously - it is up for sale - anyone want to buy an excellent condition, lots of useful accesories. low mileage 1996 BMW R1100RT?) putting on a steel brake line immediately made great brakes even better & made feel of brake lever less spongy, which is what I understand is one of bennies of steel line (& I think they never wear out (that is, become porous) like "rubber" ones.

don't know age of your bike, but if it is an oldish one I'd change fluid for sure & for (only) $50 go for steel line @ same time. still, that's just what I'd do (& hey, did!)
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Re: Installed the braided stainless brake line
Reply #14 - 12/29/06 at 18:34:45
 
In general, the normal rubber line will expand a bit when pressurized.  The braided line resists this and transmits more power to the brakes, instead of the line.  I can feel the difference.  It also looks better.
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