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Steve530 Senior Member 2005 No Login Offline Posts: 452 Knoxville, TN Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #30 - 01/19/06 at 18:40:57 Bob Mine will start with the sidestand down. I do have to pull in the clutch lever. Steve
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Reply #31 - 01/19/06 at 20:26:59

Steve and others,

The holes were uncovered and line up with the throat area (diaphram) of the carb as it should , I think.
I have not yet taken the jet out to check for dirt or lack of washer. Due that tomorrow morn.
Prior to start attempt ,kickstand has been down,clutch in .
Now , I'm wondering if I connected the vac hoses properly.
As I recall, there were 2 hoses about same size remaining after I hooked it back up originally .One apparently from the smog device which I joined with another hose from under the gas tank.The other hose which also seemed to come from rear of the bike which I fitted to the carb vac tube. Is it possible that these hoses need to be reversed?
Don

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Reply #32 - 01/19/06 at 20:39:59

Don,

Do you have a California model?

On my bike, there are two hoses that come from just above the main bore. These are bowl vents. They go up under the tank and just lay there.

The hose that may be a problem is the hose that runs from the bottom of the petcock to the right side of the carb. On my bike, this vacuum hose has a wire guard (like the speedo cable). This hose supplies the vacuum that operates the petcock. If it is not connected, the bike will not get enough gas to run if the petcock is in the run or reserve position (ask me how I know). The "PRI" position supplies gas without the vacuum.

So if you turn the petcock handle so that it points to the "PRI" gas will be supplied without the vacuum hose connected.

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Reply #33 - 01/19/06 at 21:02:49

Yes Steve, It is a Ca model .
Re : the carb vent hoses...yes I found out that they just hang down and do not relate to the vac for the carb .
Also the hose that runs from the petthingy to the other side of the carb is properly attached.
I think I'm running out of things to check but I'm also learning( but I sometimes wonder if Im' ever going to hear this thing fire up again !)
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Roll Eyesd support. I'd not going to let this little problem get to me. Don

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Steve530 Senior Member 2005 No Login Offline Posts: 452 Knoxville, TN Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #34 - 01/19/06 at 21:05:01 If it was running before it will run again! Just keep chipping away at it. Steve
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Re: 2002 Savage will not start
Reply #35 - 01/19/06 at 21:10:23

don sinclair wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01:

Yes Steve, It is a Ca model .
Re : the carb vent hoses...yes I found out that they just hang down and do not relate to the vac for the carb .
Also the hose that runs from the petthingy to the other side of the carb is properly attached.
I think I'm running out of things to check but I'm also learning( but I sometimes wonder if Im' ever going to hear this thing fire up again !)
Thanks for the continuehttp://suzukisavage.com/bbs/YaBBImages/rolleyes.gif
Roll Eyesd support. I'd not going to let this little problem get to me. Don

you have all the fuel going - you have a spark? lay the plug on the head and hit the button - it spark?

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Re: 2002 Savage will not start
Reply #36 - 01/19/06 at 21:50:24

Reelthing wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01:

you have all the fuel going - you have a spark? lay the plug on the head and hit the button - it spark?

Even better - if you haven't done the plug door mod...hook up a spare plug to the coil wire and lay it on the cylinder head and check for spark. DO NOT put your hand anywhere near the plug while cranking Shocked

I did this ONCE on a lawn mower and learned that lesson the hard way.

Don, it sounds like your carb is in order if you haven't changed the float level by accidently bending the float. Try switching those vacuum hoses and check your spark. Trying to start it with the stand up will eliminate any doubt about that safety switch. Fellas I'm wondering if there's anything else electrical which might be preventing this bike from starting (wiring, fuses, etc.).

Keep the faith Don. Your bike will run again Grin

In fact it will run way better with the new carb jetting.

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Reelthing Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Fish or ride that is the question Posts: 5397 Houston,Tx Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #37 - 01/20/06 at 07:56:53 was just wondering about the spark - if it didn't have any - you bet - start going through the connections under the seat - and the push on wires at the coil - but if it's got a hot spark we may to think on this a bit
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Reply #38 - 01/20/06 at 10:30:16

Friday report,
Ok , took seat off ,made spark plug" door modification", and checked for spark .. ok but not super strong...battery may need another charge, took out my new 155 main jet and yes it does have the washer,sprayed the underside liberally with carb cleaner.
Again work calls so have to stop for today. Over and out, Don

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pgolden Ex Member	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #39 - 01/20/06 at 10:40:55 I wish I could go fix his bike!
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torque Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline 2008 nightster,flat od green and black Posts: 748 rock hill,S.C. Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #40 - 01/20/06 at 10:51:39 i know whatcha mean,i'm ready to get my hands dirty
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SAMM Serious Thumper Offline No lay down crotch rocket for me Posts: 576 Portland Oregon Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #41 - 01/20/06 at 10:58:22 He lives in Oceanside Cali. Long way for me to go..... Maybe someone wants to make a trip to Disneyland !!!
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Re: 2002 Savage will not start
Reply #42 - 01/20/06 at 11:09:22

Don Sinclair wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01:

Yes , I gave it gas and tried with choke out as well as in.

I'm wondering if when I put the diaphragm assembly back together after I sanded down the white spacer that I might have installed the lock plate incorrectly.Somewhere else on this Savage site , I read that the holes align at 5 o'clock and 7 o'clock positions. I don't remember what position the holes were in ...I only recall that it took me a long time to screw the lock plate down.
Got Wed off so I'll try to get it running again then . I'm trying not to get discouraged about this. It's not brain surgery right? Don

How about with the throttle closed and the choke at 1/2? There is no need to open the throttle to start the bike.

In all your tinkering, has your plug not worked or ever come out wet? I still think it is gas.

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Re: 2002 Savage will not start
Reply #43 - 01/20/06 at 11:42:16

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01:

How about with the throttle closed and the choke at 1/2? There is no need to open the throttle to start the bike.

Just to note: In many cases where an enrichener is used instead of a choke (as I believe the case is with the stock BS40 Mikuni carb, definitely with the Amal Mk2), twisting the throttle bypasses the enrichener circuit and renders it useless.

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Steve530 Senior Member 2005 No Login Offline Posts: 452 Knoxville, TN Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #44 - 01/20/06 at 15:21:30 pgolden wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01: I wish I could go fix his bike! I bet Don wishes you could go fix his bike, too. Steve
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