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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #15 - 01/17/06 at 05:49:12 I wonder. A plug isn't usually a problem. Do you open the throttle when you are cranking it?
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Don Sinclair

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Re: 2002 Savage will not start
Reply #16 - 01/17/06 at 08:40:01

Yes , I gave it gas and tried with choke out as well as in.

I'm wondering if when I put the diaphragm assembly back together after I sanded down the white spacer that I might have installed the lock plate incorrectly.Somewhere else on this Savage site , I read that the holes align at 5 o'clock and 7 o'clock positions. I don't remember what position the holes were in ...I only recall that it took me a long time to screw the lock plate down.
Got Wed off so I'll try to get it running again then . I'm trying not to get discouraged about this. It's not brain surgery right? Don

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torque Serious Thumper 2005 No Login Offline 2008 nightster,flat od green and black Posts: 748 rock hill,S.C. Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #17 - 01/17/06 at 08:44:35 seems to me like your getting way to much gas ,u better check your carb float,just to make sure its not stuck open.
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Don Sinclair Guest	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #18 - 01/17/06 at 08:50:39 I'm not smelling lots of gas and not getting any gas leakage,and just a steady but light stream when I open the bowl drain screw. How can I tell if it (float) is sticking?
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Re: 2002 Savage will not start
Reply #19 - 01/17/06 at 11:56:33

Don Sinclair wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:01:

I'm not smelling lots of gas and not getting any gas leakage,and just a steady but light stream when I open the bowl drain screw. How can I tell if it (float) is sticking?

If you're getting a steady flow out the drain plug, your float is not sticking closed. With the bowl off and the fuel line connected turn the gas to prime. When the float is down, gas should flow. When you raise the float with your finger, gas flow should stop.

Check your diaphram to make sure it's installed correctly. There's a locating tab on the rubber and in the carb body. I found that to be the toughest part to reinstall. Use some grease in the channel if that helps you hold it in place while putting on the top. Tape the little screws to your phillips screwdriver with electrical tape to help reinstalling them.

Check the online parts fische and the photos in the Tech section here. Something is amiss and I'm guessing it's the CV diaphram.

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Re: 2002 Savage will not start
Reply #20 - 01/17/06 at 14:55:42

Not to be insulting, but check the basics. Petcock lever pointing down, transmission in neutral, ignition on, clutch lever in, engine stop switch to run, and then hit the starter switch.

Make sure you have the vacuum hose connected to the petcock and carb.

If you decide to look at the diaphram again, you might want to disassemble it and start over. Maybe someone can check out the following to confirm that I remember it correctly.

The needle has, from the top, the spacer, the e-clip, a washer, and the spring.

The lock plate has a dimple which is installed down, toward the spacer. It actually sits on the spacer and hold the lock plate off the washer a bit. I have no idea why. The plate has two holes for the screws and three slots. One is at 2 o'clock, one at 6 o'clock and another at 10 o'clock. The 2 and 10 o'clock slots uncover two holes in the diaphram. Again I have no idea why they are there.

Finally the upper lip of the diaphram has a small tab that goes into a groove in the carb body. I assume that this locates the assembly in the correct position.

BTW, you might want to do the "spark plug door" mod so it will be easier to remove the spark plug in the future.

Steve

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don Sinclair Guest	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #21 - 01/17/06 at 22:38:50 Steve, Thanks for that very complete answer. Tomorrow morning I'm going to remove the carb and verify the parts layout as you describe. I really think that is the way I assembled it but no harm in reviewing it again. Thanks Don
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Steve530 Senior Member 2005 No Login Offline Posts: 452 Knoxville, TN Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #22 - 01/18/06 at 14:53:49 Don, Any luck with starting the bike? Steve
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Don Sinclair Guest	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #23 - 01/18/06 at 20:26:52 Steve, Had to go in to work today but will be off Thurs aft and will try to get it going without having to take carb out of frame( drop fuel bowl and remove upper cover to remove diaphram and needle assembly in place). Thanks for your concern, Don
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Steve530 Senior Member 2005 No Login Offline Posts: 452 Knoxville, TN Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #24 - 01/18/06 at 20:56:10 Don, It's a shame how work gets in the way of progress sometimes, isn't it? Steve
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don sinclair Guest	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #25 - 01/19/06 at 15:18:07 Progress( ?) report.... Ok, I've just checked the float and it works fine. Ditto diaphram "lip positioning " I'm on my way out to get allen screws to replace the cheap soft phillips head screws for fuel bowl . When I return ,I'll pull and disassemble the needle/spacer /plate combo. Don
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SAMM Serious Thumper Offline No lay down crotch rocket for me Posts: 576 Portland Oregon Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #26 - 01/19/06 at 15:38:19 Hey !!! Dont forget the spark plug !!!!
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don sinclair Guest	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #27 - 01/19/06 at 16:34:40 Just got the allen heads for the bowl. Also checked the lock plate/screw positioning and it is just as Steve has said including the dimple down so I'm reluctant to take that all apart but I will since everything else so far checks out up to here. don
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Steve530 Senior Member 2005 No Login Offline Posts: 452 Knoxville, TN Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #28 - 01/19/06 at 17:35:19 Sounds good so far. Were the holes uncovered on the diaphram? Did you also check the new jet to assure the washer is in place? Steve
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Dynobob Serious Thumper Offline 2003 LS650 (with Supertrapp) Posts: 634 Northern Virginia Gender:	Re: 2002 Savage will not start Reply #29 - 01/19/06 at 18:22:22 Don, you are sitting on the bike with the kickstand up while trying to start it ? Kickstand down kills the ignition - it's a safety feature. You shouldn't have to give it gas. If it's cold use the choke.
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