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Re: Can i put a turbo on my Savage?
Reply #15 - 12/09/05 at 13:52:13

Yeah, I just saw a 964cc supercharged single in the January 2006 issue of Cycle World. It's a very nice-looking bike, especially since it's so clean. I mean, all the cables and such are inside the frame so all you see is simplicity. The seat looks uncomfortable though. I thought it very telling that the builder, Roger Goldammer, named the bike "Trouble". A quote from the article:
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What about the name? Goldammer explains, "Trouble is what you expect any time you put a blower on an engine!" Especially an air-cooled powerplant.

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Reply #16 - 12/09/05 at 14:18:10

Tom W.K wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12:

Jim-R , what do you mean when you say: "fabricate the heck out of a header. I would buy some rusty piece of

crap header and cut it or make ur own."
What is the header?
Is it really probably that im going to blow-up my engine?
Please... explain me as mucha s you can.
Thanks a lot

the header is the exhaust pipe that comes out of the head of the engine. the turbo would run off of your exhaust gases, then that air would go into your air box. to do this u need to know what every part inside the engine looks like,and how it functions.u cant just throw it on,

ps, u said u have three bikes so u have seven headers Wink

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Reply #17 - 12/09/05 at 19:11:50

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The problem was that i didnt understand what does the word "header" means in english ??? , i live in south america , i speeek spanish , and my english is not very good. Tongue

..so Sluggo and Torque , now i know the "heather" is what in spanish is called as a " lumbera de escape". Grin

, As i said before , i will apresheate any ideas or help you can give me .

Torque , it seems like you know what you are talking about , so what do you think about this :--- this is a picture of what i have in mind ( in a very basical way): i wil make a short 5cms diameter exhaust pipe that goes from the header to the turbo "hot air intake" , and i will make another pipe that goes from the turbo "cool air out-take" to the 36mm amal carb.

Later i will figure where to install the water tank for refreshing the turbo.

And of course my mechanic will adjust the turbo to the engine needs Wink

----------What kind of precautians do you think i maus have in mind?----- do i have to modifi something?-------does anybody here really knows something about trubos? Tongue

Once again , i will apresheate any ideas or help you can give me.
And sorry for my english , and forgive me if sometime i dont understand the mmmeanings of some words .....like header ..jejeje 8)
thanks a lot

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Reply #18 - 12/09/05 at 20:19:10

1 Ok you are still gonna need a pump (oil or water) to circulate the (water or oil) to cool the turbo because they get so hot they crack if not properly cooled.

2 People I have met that install turbos(my cousin and some friends online) always beef up the piston, valves, even use metal gaskets. The reason why is when u use a turbo u are pumping pressurized air into the engine, with more fuel this creates some serious stress that the engine is not designed to cope with using stock parts.
So rebuild your engine with super strong parts that dont exist because Savages have little to no aftermarket support in that department

3 Ok so u finally got that turbo going and somehow u might trust the stock internal parts(giggle). Now here is the bad part.. Most turbos use intercoolers to cool that air down. When the air is compressed energy is released with heat.. This air needs to be cooled down in a pressurized system of more pipes and an intercooler.

4 Where is all this stuff gonna fit? Esp the intercooler. U can get small intercoolers like one off a mazda rx7 but it has to be in front of the motorcycle, otherwise the hot air from the engine will just heat it up even worse.

5 My god u must be rich hehe. For the price of all this stuff to work properly you could have already bought a nice used 600 cc sportbike that would still outrace the savage with a turbo.

My advice is dont do it. If your bike runs, u are better off than some Savage owners.

Read some stuff on this site about turbos. Its interesting but very dangerous.

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/

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Reply #19 - 12/09/05 at 20:56:09

Jim-R .. thanks a lot for all the important information and advices, .. sorry but what is to "beef up the pistons"?(sounds like breaking).
Undecided

And, im not rich(but i would like to) jeje Grin

. , y just have some money that i beeing saving for a while.

I must confess that i am a bit afraid for my engine health , but .im not going to pull back with this project, i mean , this is not a project , this is something that it will be done ,but i dont have the last word , the last word came from my mechanic , he is oficcial of kawasaki , suszuki , honda , guzzi , triunmph and yamaha , among others , .. he said i am a cazy mo$%&$ fu$&%$ , but he aprooves the idea , and he will personally intall the turbo , but i didnt find a turbo in my country for a bike , but now , thanks to you , im going to by some of thouse you show me on e-bay .

I know that there are dangers for my engine , but i will try to stress as less as i can the engine , but i MUST PUT A TURBO ON MY SAVAGE. 8)

Now you may be asking your selfs , "What kind of "oficcial mechanic" would aproobe to put a turbo on that bike?"-- Honestly , i dont know , meavy he just whant to be payed by the instalation and setup , but for the othe hand , he sais that he will make his self responsable for the work in deed.

Once again , opinions , ideas , help,, they are all welcome.
You have already help me a lot , i really apresheate that .
Thanks

P.S: Does anyone in thinks thata the stock engine can handle a turbo? Tongue

And what about the blue savage of the picture , it does have a turbo , .. does anyone knows something about that bike?

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Reply #20 - 12/10/05 at 08:02:03

beefing up the engine would consist of stronger pistons , valves, springs. everything u could possibly think of including special gaskets.

Good luck with the project. I think it can be done but it will at the very least shorten the life of the engine drastically, if not blow it up all together.

With the pic of the bike it obviously can be done but without the proper precautions, and failsafes, it is almost a certain death sentence to your engine.

have fun with it and remember start very low boost then increase. That way u dont blow it up immediately.
The smaller turbo that you use will spool(spin up ) faster preventing turbo lag. Oh and since this turbo and "header" wil get extremely hot. Try avoiding important things like LEGS and plastic parts on your bike.

Oh and if u do get it done. Take pics of the steps and problems u occured. It would make a great post. Good luck and may the boost be with u.

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Tom W.K Guest	Re: Can i put a turbo on my Savage? Reply #21 - 12/10/05 at 08:42:35 Thanks a lot for your help jim-R , i promise i will post a lot of pics of the projest . But , just explain this to me , i didnt understand this : "The smaller turbo that you use will spool(spin up ) faster preventing turbo lag." What is "lag"? Spool? (spin up? please , explain the hole sentence Thanks a lot 8)
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Re: Can i put a turbo on my Savage?
Reply #22 - 12/10/05 at 09:40:51

Tom W.K wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12:

Thanks a lot for your help jim-R , i promise i will post a lot of pics of the projest .

But , just explain this to me , i didnt understand this :
"The smaller turbo that you use will spool(spin up ) faster preventing turbo lag."
What is "lag"? Spool? (spin up?
please , explain the hole sentence Grin

Thanks a lot 8)

all turbos have "lag" its the responsiveness of the engine when u pull the throttle back. when the bike is stock as soon as u pull the throttle you accelerate forward,with a turbo the bike will take a few seconds to accellerate after u pull the throttle back,the smaller the turbo less "lag". "lag" on a motorcycle can be dangerous becuase it happens when accellerating and decellerating,deccellerating it takes a few seconds to stop pushing air into the engine.

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Kaishaku Junior Member 2005 No Login Offline Posts: 68	Re: Can i put a turbo on my Savage? Reply #23 - 12/10/05 at 11:07:19 I'd have to say probably a 10-15hp shot of nitrous would be the way to go. No engine modification needed, would just have to work out how to supply the extra fuel. Besides, it's very Mad Max.
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Re: Can i put a turbo on my Savage?
Reply #24 - 12/10/05 at 15:50:47

Maybe a supercharger instead of a turbo would be the way to go. You wouldn't need to rework the exhaust plumbing and worry about cooling all the excessive heat found with turbocharging. Some creative belts and pullies seems a lot easier than all the cutting and welding needed to install a turbo. Just a thought. Good luck on whichever you choose, try not to pop an engine.

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Re: Can i put a turbo on my Savage?
Reply #25 - 12/10/05 at 17:00:07

Ed L. wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12:

Maybe a supercharger instead of a turbo would be the way to go. You wouldn't need to rework the exhaust plumbing and worry about cooling all the excessive heat found with turbocharging. Some creative belts and pullies seems a lot easier than all the cutting and welding needed to install a turbo. Just a thought. Good luck on whichever you choose, try not to pop an engine.

im with u on this one,a supercharger is is quite a bit safer and would produce more boost,but it has to run off the crankshaft which would be one hell of a tricky project and a very costly one.

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Reply #26 - 12/10/05 at 17:11:15

Ed L. wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:12:

Maybe a supercharger instead of a turbo would be the way to go. You wouldn't need to rework the exhaust plumbing and worry about cooling all the excessive heat found with turbocharging. Some creative belts and pullies seems a lot easier than all the cutting and welding needed to install a turbo. Just a thought. Good luck on whichever you choose, try not to pop an engine.

Jajajaja...."pop an engine"jejej that sounds funny Grin

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Jim_R Ex Member	Re: Can i put a turbo on my Savage? Reply #27 - 12/10/05 at 21:30:01 only bad thing with superchargers is that they rob some power from the engine. Exhaust is free energy. Also superchargers USUALLY dont provide as much boost in cars.. Motorcycles maybe a different story tho.. interesting concept and sounds like a safer way to go for sure.
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Re: Can i put a turbo on my Savage?
Reply #28 - 12/13/05 at 20:47:55

The parasitic loss of a supercharger would be insignificant. The real issue would be heat and pressure of a supercharger. It is an always-on pressure booster constantly producing heat. The added heat I could not be negated by the standard radiant cooling of the engine. In my opinion the entire engine would have to be redesigned with improved parts. I would find a different avenue of speed. Just My 2¢
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