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Tim Krantz Guest	cam chain guide 10/31/05 at 13:57:03 Does the engine have to be removed to replace the cam chain tensioner/guide?
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boyett YaBB Newbies 2004 No Login Offline Posts: 7 Santa Rosa, CA Gender:	Re: cam chain guide Reply #1 - 10/31/05 at 21:34:41 No, but I think the head has to be removed to replace one of the tensioners. I replaced the chain in mine without removing the engine.
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Kropatchek Serious Thumper Offline Why more than 1 cylinder? Posts: 1457 Alphen a/d Rijn Netherlands Gender:	Re: cam chain guide Reply #2 - 11/01/05 at 03:29:52 No, the guide can be accessed when the clutchcoverd is removed and the pivoting point bolt has been removed. You don't even have to remove the headcover. Greetz Kropatchek
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Tim Krantz Guest	Re: cam chain guide Reply #3 - 11/01/05 at 06:36:01 Thanks for the quick replys. BTW this Savage has only 6000 miles on it. Is this a weak link in this otherwise wonderful small motorcycle?
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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: cam chain guide Reply #4 - 11/05/05 at 05:45:18 Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:11: No, the guide can be accessed when the clutchcoverd is removed and the pivoting point bolt has been removed. You don't even have to remove the headcover. Greetz Kropatchek Hey Buddy...are you sure about that? I seem to remember that process a little bit differently.
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Savage_Greg Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Don't go around your ass to reach your elbow... Posts: 7844 SW Washington State Gender:	Re: cam chain guide Reply #5 - 11/05/05 at 05:46:09 Tim Krantz wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:10: Does the engine have to be removed to replace the cam chain tensioner/guide? With only 6000 miles, why do you think it needs replacing?
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Re: cam chain guide
Reply #6 - 11/05/05 at 09:03:35

Savage_Greg wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:11:

Hey Buddy...are you sure about that? I seem to remember that process a little bit differently.

Have read in the WSM that the rear guide , attached to the tensioner, has to be inserted from the bottom. I dont know if it will be difficult to insert the upper bolt again.

Hope it works as I must admit, have NOT tried myself,

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Re: cam chain guide
Reply #7 - 11/05/05 at 09:25:28

Kropatchek wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:11:

Have read in the WSM that the rear guide , attached to the tensioner, has to be inserted from the bottom. I dont know if it will be difficult to insert the upper bolt again.

Hope it works as I must admit, have NOT tried myself,

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Okay. Let's take a closer look. The tensioner is a piece of cake. In this photo, I have this one apart with the cam chain removed. There is a little trick to the tensioner spring if you use a piece of wire, but a snap ring and a 5 MM bolt are all you need to remove it.

On the other hand, the guides are a bit more difficult, especially the rear one with the tensioner mount and the upper bolt that you mentioned. I think the front one will drop out the bottom, but you might have to remove the headcover for the rear one...or maybe just the primary gear.

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Re: cam chain guide
Reply #8 - 11/06/05 at 14:44:12

[quote author=Greg_650 link=board=RubberSideDown;num=1130795823;start=0#7 date=11/05/05 at 09:25:28]

Okay. Let's take a closer look. The tensioner is a piece of cake. In this photo, I have this one apart with the cam chain removed. There is a little trick to the tensioner spring if you use a piece of wire, but a snap ring and a 5 MM bolt are all you need to remove it.

On the other hand, the guides are a bit more difficult, especially the rear one with the tensioner mount and the upper bolt that you mentioned. I think the front one will drop out the bottom, but you might have to remove the headcover for the rear one...or maybe just the primary gear.

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That's a very clear view of the situation, thanks Greg. Must refrase my suggestion: The rear guide needs the primairy gear to be removed.

http://www.ronayers.com/fiche/300_0271/cam_chain/cam_chain.bmp
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As for the front guide the cylinder head needs to be removed. The top section at a right angle to the guide is squised between the cylinder and the -head.

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Re: cam chain guide
Reply #9 - 11/08/05 at 04:16:50

Plan to replace the cam chain shortly as I really do not believe the previous owner tended to the oil changes as he should - as the hand written date on the filter was 7 years old when I first got the '95.

While I had it apart the plan was new guides as well - do not mind pulling head cover but sure don't won't to pull the cylinder or head as the engine runs too well.

Of course may as well do the clutch as it slips a little.

So is it the head cover or the head that needs to come off?

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vroom1776 Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2110 Gender:	Re: cam chain guide Reply #10 - 11/08/05 at 08:27:18 My cam chain tensioner broke at about 15k miles.
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Re: cam chain guide
Reply #11 - 11/08/05 at 15:17:38

Reelthing wrote on 12/31/69 at 16:00:11:

Plan to replace the cam chain shortly as I really do not believe the previous owner tended to the oil changes as he should - as the hand written date on the filter was 7 years old when I first got the '95.

While I had it apart the plan was new guides as well - do not mind pulling head cover but sure don't won't to pull the cylinder or head as the engine runs too well.

Of course may as well do the clutch as it slips a little.

So is it the head cover or the head that needs to come off?

For the front chain guide the head needs to come off. However it rarely needs replacment. The rear chain guide can be replaced when the headcover, the RH engine-cover and the tensioner are removed. Maybe also the primarydrivegear nees to come off. This has to come off anyway when you replace the camchain.

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Re: cam chain guide
Reply #12 - 11/12/05 at 15:49:39

The reason I'm looking to do this is there is a noticable metalic sound coming from around the clutch side area of the MC. Don't do it constantly, but it seems that I can get it to slapping by blipping the throttle a little, then it will start the metalic sound at idle. The MC is not making this sound all the time. Would I be wrong in assuming it is the tensioner gone bad, and not the guides worn on a MC with this few miles. Thanks

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