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Michiel Pielkenrood's Plan
10/18/05 at 08:31:30
 
Michiel posted this in the Technical Corner's thread intended for reviews of mods done.  This is a discussion of intended work and/or work in progress and belongs in the Rubber Side Down forum.

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I am about to change some things about my Savage, here a little list:

You use a Suzuki Savage:
http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-434974.jpg
and a Harley Davidson FXR tank:
http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-93-bikepics-444366.jpg
a HD Electra rear fender (have to paint it black):
http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-449441.jpg
or a custom glasfiber rearfender:
http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-449442.jpg
forward controls (the chrome version):
http://savage-extrem.de/tips/JogiRasten1.jpg
and a flyerbar:
http://www.bikepics.com/pics/pics/suzuki-savage-89-bikepics-449440.jpg

how do you like it?
I'm thinking about some more modifications, but due to a limited amount of cash I won't be able to manage that in a short timeperiod. And it's very hard to get hold of performance parts here in the Netherlands...  :'(
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Reply #1 - 10/18/05 at 10:23:36
 
I'm sorry for posting this in the wrong section  Undecided, I was't used to the site yet, I apologize!
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Reply #2 - 10/18/05 at 10:24:01
 
I' d love to get my hands on some forward controls like those that aren't in the hundreds of dollars.
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Reply #3 - 10/18/05 at 10:32:13
 
I think it's pretty easy to produce them... the only thing you need is a grinder and some steel slabs. The main problem is getting the lines straight. After producing the groundplates, you can just screw on the old parts. The only things you need to ajust are the brake-connectionrod and the shiftrod (if that's what you call them). The footrests are either simple home-made ones or aftermarket universal steps... good luck! Once I've made my own I'll post some photo's and the drawings I've used (if I used any and otherwise I'll make some)
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Reply #4 - 10/18/05 at 15:16:12
 
Michiel, wonderful project!!!
Questions:
1) How do you fit the HD tank to the Savage chassis?
   I have found one like that but the seller says it's in two halves and needs to be 'connected together' with 'adapters I must make myself'  ???
2) How do you fit the HD speedo and tachometer???

3) Where did you get the rear fenders? How much is the fibreglass fender?

Please let me know, we could be actually thinking of the same mods. Grin

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Reply #5 - 10/19/05 at 01:25:47
 
Dear Maurizio,
Thanks for the compliments!
The Harley Davidson FXR gastank is an almost perfect fit, there are only two modifications needed; you have to take a part out of the mounting brackets, because the original ones are too broad, and you have to cut new holes in the rear tank-mount and saw off some steel, because this part is too long, but it's not too much work. Your two-part-tank will probably be almost as much work, you just have to fix new brackets, which isn't too much work, you only need the correct tools.

I think this is the kind of tank you're talking about, and it shouldn't be too hard to fix it to your Savage. This set is really interesting!  Shocked Grin

I won't be using the tacho and speedo, I'll just use a digital bicycle-speedo. As you see, there will be a gap on the tank where the speedo and tacho were, but I'm getting a big leather tankpad fixed, which runs all the way from the bottom to the top of the tank to cover the hole. To make sure thise doesn't collapse I'll have some aluminium sewn in on top.

I saw the rear fender on marktplaats.nl, the dutch ebay.com. There is another fender for sale on this site right now, the yellow one. If you'd like to buy it, please send me an email and I'll give you this guys emailadress.

Good luck and please show us some pictures once you're done building  Wink
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Reply #6 - 10/19/05 at 07:43:45
 
The J&P Cycles catalog has a good selection of mounting hardware for the two piece tank.
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Reply #7 - 10/19/05 at 13:11:23
 
Hello Michael and other;

You are on a simliar path that I am regarding a larger capacity tank.  

I have been reviewing the underside of fuel tanks ranging from HD FX, Sportster 3.5 & 4.5, Suzuki Intruder/Marauder, Bouelvard M50, Yamaha VStar/Roadstar, Kawasaki VN500/700/750/800, QuickBob/EZ Bob tanks to see what might fit on the stock LS650/C40 frame with minimal cutting and welding.

Part of the challenge in finding a tank that will fit is the frame that starts out as a single bar from approx. 5.5"" the Y's out to 6" for another 10" giving approx. 15.5" space for the stock fuel tank.  The challenge is to find a tank 3.5-5.0 gallon tank that is wide enough 6" at the rear to fit over the frame tubes.  

Another challenge is the tank mount of which I am considering using a Universial Tank Mount that can be found on ebay or in HD catalog such as Drag Specialities, J&P etc.  Another tank mount is the flat side bracket also sold by DS.

Next comes the challenge of the infamous speedo change out or relocation.  Recently I purchased a speedo cable from Working Class Choppers that screws onto the existing stock speedo cable adding 6", 8" or 10" (I used the 10" extension).  See their website for PN.

I traded a set of HD buckhorn bars for a mini speedo (no brand name) that has a tripometer.  I purchased a handlebar clamp from Parts Unltd  pg. 1021 PN DS243803, Y bracket DS243805.  I have to option now to run my speedo on the handlebars or if I find a bigger 2 piece tank than I might be able to use the stock speedo, or a VS800 speedo & cup (as some one else did on another forum without photos or follow-up as to how it worked.

Another way that I have seen a mini speedo with tripometer mounted was to run a L bracket from under the stock tank off to the right side running the speedo off the stock speedo cable.  Anyone looking for a longer speedo cable for the LS650 has had to content with the end that goes into the engine that looks like a notch or key so a universial cable would not work there as far as I am aware.  By the way the stock speedo cable fittings are 11mm on top (which married to the cable extension I got from Working Class Choppers and is 14mm at the bottom fitting.

Another item I have added were screws for the stock seat so that I can remove the seat without a wrench.  I am using Knurled thumbscrew 6MX1.0 PN 0820-0008 (manf. Motherwell Products Ltd. Canada) ordered from Parts Unltd.  I am also running fork boots Tucker Rocky either Series 83 $19.95 or Series 58 $15.95 both fit 30-40 mm forks (the LS650 is 38mm) and have 9" t 11" travel.  

I am running Flanders A3 handlebars Rise 5.5" Pullback 5" CenterWidth 10" Tip2Tip Width 33" and find these to be very comfortable.  

Other items I am considering trying are a Sportster XL speedo (early 70's) that runs off the transmission.  I having been trying to find out if the HD speedo in the dash sold by JC Whitney PN ZX064352N $49 , PN J52-10-B1 Cat# 070969 Classic Muffler 25" $49.99, stock Sptstr muffler 79', HD bars PN 56081-82 $55 R 4" PB 8" CW 8.5" T2T 28.5"

I have also looked at the tall sissy bar JCW 01ZX4000N 19.75" tall, mounting bracket 01ZX4002A $45.

As you can see I have been doing some research as alot of the members of this forum and visitors have done.  Hopefully this information will be helpful.


Regards from Alaska.
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Reply #8 - 10/22/05 at 10:14:56
 
I'd like to share a short evaluation with you... I've been driving a Savage for a couple of months now, but I traded one of my Savage's for a Honda Shadow two days ago (October 20th) and drove it some miles.

The Savage:

+ more 'touch' with driving the motor, a better sense of speed, the driver hears a lot of (beautifull) noise from the engine+exhaust, easier to accelerate, takes curves easily, cool, compact motorcycle with it's own touch.
- the ride isn't really smooth, but it's a good ride!

the Shadow:
+ it feels more like a 'real' motorcycle, it's smoother and more relaxed, less oil- and gasmileage, a better sound for passer-by's (nicer, prettier)
- less sense of speed, the footpegs touch the ground faster, less (beautifull) sounds for the driver

I still believe the Savage to be a really good motorcycle. I'm really happy owning the Shadow, which I'll be customizing for the next weeks/months, but the Savage still is wonderfull. Maybe I'll keep both in the end. I think the Savage feels more like driving a motorcycle then the Shadow, it doesn't run like a sowing-machine, it's a real, noisy, shake, rattle&roll motorcycle...

One thing has become clear to me these last months. I really want to own a Harley one day. I drove a 2003 Fatboy some weeks ago and it feels like a motorcycle should be. It connects an easy ride with the real thing; shake, rattle & roll.
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Reply #9 - 10/24/05 at 03:20:40
 
I added a little new toy to the collection: an open exhaust.
Now I have a question for the know-alls... I heard you smack your valves up using an open exhaust, what should I do to prevent this from happening? It's an open exhaust with a small, broader part for a little compression. Once I know the brand I'll post that too.
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Reply #10 - 10/24/05 at 06:27:52
 
Try adding a couple ounces of two stroke oil to the gas every two or three fillups. It will help keep the valves cooler and also keep the slide in the carb lubricated.
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Reply #11 - 10/26/05 at 15:38:19
 
I tried the gastank and rear fender on today. Some people said it would dwarf the cilinder, but I am pretty happy with what I think it's gonna look like!

And sorry, I don't have pictures yet, just mounted the tank and fender on a frame-with-engine-and-rear-tire I had in my shed.
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Reply #12 - 11/25/05 at 03:16:56
 
I haven't been working a lot on my Savage lately, but I've done a little work; put on a 5-speed gearbox instead of a 4-speed, tried the gastank and rear fender on (unfortunately the photo isn't too good), put on a new taillight and took of the sissybar.
This is what it looks like right now:



And this is what it's about to look like once I'm finished (I expect to be done in a week or 2):

I'll take some new pictures in a couple of days, to show what it looks like in clear daylight. I'm pretty excited about the result!

edit: please don't look at the rear turn-signal lights, I only put them on because I had them and needed something fast (and you can't just put the old ones one in 2 secs.)
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Reply #13 - 11/25/05 at 03:40:22
 
I am really liking the look of that rear fender! How much trouble was it to install? Can't wait to see more pics!
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Reply #14 - 11/25/05 at 04:21:51
 
Thank you! I don't know yet, it's only a mock. It shouldn't be too much of a problem, but I don't know for sure yet. I think I'll fix it to my stock fender, to make things simple. I'll keep you up-to-dat  Smiley
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